• zephyreks
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    1 year ago

    The problem is that Africa isn’t a single entity. I’m absolutely sure that across the entire continent you could build a dream team of engineers… But in each country? That’s a bit more challenging, especially when your goal is to connect the continent.

    This is even true in Europe, where each country has a different railway power standard that makes connecting their HSR systems very complicated.

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      1 year ago

      But they can all agree to outsource it? Surely it’s not that much more work to convince member countries that DIY within the continent is better than outsourcing.

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        1 year ago

        But then you get a bunch of political issues between countries. Hell, different US states can’t even agree on anything and they’re in the same country.

        Outsourcing is easier because everyone wants to get closer to China’s economic engine.

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          I don’t see why they want to get closer to China though. From my perspective, China wants access to cheap natural resources, so they have no incentive to actually help Africa prosper.

          Hopefully they can form something more similar to the EU where cross-country agreements can work. Relying on China to fill in the gaps will likely just lead to more imperialism.

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            1 year ago

            Europe has a history of, y’know, exploiting Africa.

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              Yup, so I certainly wouldn’t expect them to rush into any deals with Western countries. I’m just saying that cash mimick the structure of the EU when they start building the rail system.

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                1 year ago

                Oh, yeah for sure. I do imagine that this deal looks more promising to Africa (than any Western one) solely because of China’s lack of hard power in the region. China can’t project power because their navy is tailored specifically for operation in the South China Sea. China’s blue water fleet can’t do shit. China knows this and Africa knows this. China only has soft power in Africa, so there’s a strong incentive to keep everyone happy because they can’t just pull an Iraq if someone doesn’t pay.

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                  Perhaps. But has the US or anyone in Europe ever actually done that? Usually an invasion is due to terrorism, human rights violations, or violation of international law, not because of unpaid dues. If you look at pretty much every country the US has invaded, the US invested a ton into rebuilding and then left (some cases were handled better than others). I don’t think anyone in either region really wants to inherit Africa’s problems.

                  All major powers want access to natural resources, so Africa should recognize the position it’s in and be very hesitant to give up anything other than guaranteed trade agreements (i.e. allow sponsors first dibs on X% of total production for Y years or something) in exchange for assisting them in building their own infrastructure (i.e. Africans run the project, sponsors merely share knowledge).

                  So I sincerely hope the deal between the AU and China (or any other countries they’re courting) are beneficial to Africa and not just beneficial to the people in charge.

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                    I don’t think the US has the best track record, exactly… Afghanistan was a fucking mess.