Li Jingjing: Why the US wants to separate #Xinjiang from China? (cited 2003 report)

The Grayzone has been covering the story for about five years: https://thegrayzone.com/page/2/?s=xinjiang

ProleWiki: Uyghur genocide allegations

Critical Resist: The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany (from the same town the CIA-owned Radio Free Europe operates). From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

But it fell on deaf ears. The sentiment at the time was that the Arab League wanted better relations with China and so they lied and said everything was fine.

Everything the target country does to prove its innocence is a lie. Only we profess the truth.

We suddenly stopped hearing about the ‘genocide’ as the world moved on to the war in Ukraine and now the October 7 operation in Palestine. These last two events were not controlled by Washington, and so they had to take precedence over the ‘genocide’. But it’s not over yet; they’ll find something else to pin on China eventually, and when they do, they’ll want you to remember all they’ve said about China in the past. They’ll want you to remember Tian’anmen (another mostly fabricated event), they’ll want you to remember the Uyghur ‘genocide’. They’ll want you to remember Tibet (for which they try to find stories, but they don’t tend to stick for very long).

All so that when they make up more ludicrous stories about China, you’ll think they’re true, because you’ve been conditioned to believe more and more outrageous stories with time.

When we finally declare war on China (if the NATO bloc ever gets to find a way to win that war), you’ll do the legwork of justifying this invasion yourself. We hope you’ll have been properly subdued by then and will happily cheer for the bombs. And if we install a US comprador government in China, we hope you won’t ask too many questions as it starts privatizing everything, reversing social welfare policies, jailing opponents, plummeting quality of life, destroying jobs and houses… and will just happily accept it as the right legitimate government — because it’s Western-backed.

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I think I just figured out what the fundamental issue is with lemmy.ml. It’s starting to sound like you don’t think people are allowed to think different things than you do.

I read that this guy thinks Israel doesn’t have the will to commit genocide, yes. I think they do; many representatives of the current Israeli government have said many times more or less that they want to keep pushing until the Palestinians are all moved elsewhere, dead of starvation, or driven into the sea. But, I’m not stopping the entire conversation to shriek at this guy until he starts agreeing with me about everything (or, more likely, just leaves). It’s okay if I think one thing and he thinks something different.

And now, the simple fact that I’m willing to talk to him without starting to shriek at him, abandoning the thing we were talking about (which is how to construct the strongest possible case against Israel), is somehow a bad thing.

In what possible world is being willing to talk with someone who thinks different things than you some kind of “gotcha” that of course I’m lying about what I believe, because I’m having a relaxed conversation with someone who believes something different?

Absolutely man. My new philosophy is to engage in a conversation whether I agree or disagree with the person, but then to use “block” and “unsubscribe” pretty liberally if it seems like people are more interested in giving abuse and “winning” than they are in engaging with what I’m saying.