• Papercrane@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    It’s getting harder and harder to actually know what to believe anymore. I know this whole situation isn’t black and white but still. There is always some new snippet to a story that complete 180 degree flips the sides. Who can even tell at this point what is true and what not if you weren’t at the spot where it happened

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      5 months ago

      This the the textbook IDF playbook: flood the zone with shit so people don’t care anymore.

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    5 months ago

    Just ignore the hundreds of hours of footage captured by Hammas terrorists body cams filming themselves slaughtering hundreds of people. Ignore them…

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          This is embarrassing, relying on Telegram fake news when we are all awash in videos they proudly share of IDF murdering civilians and torturing people.

          You’re going to go out the same was that South African apartheid did. They did okay against unarmed kids in Soweto, but as you’ve discovered from watching control slip away from you again and again, guerillas are tough! The Cuban-trained Angolans washed them. Why did you think Apartheid ended? They got their asses handed to them.

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        It’s not whataboutism, it’s the context for the article you are pushing.

        It’d be like saying “Russian forces gassed to death over a hundred of their own citizens in a theater.” If someone points out that there were terrorists who had taken the citizens in the theater hostage, that’s not whataboutism, it’s extremely relevant context.

        Yes, Israeli operations in response to the terrorist attack ended up killing some of their own citizens, and there’s a legitimate story to discuss in that.

        But they didn’t just do that for shits and giggles out of the blue. They were responding to a well documented terrorist attack at the same time that killed a whole lot more Israelis.

        Pointing that out isn’t whataboutism, it’s context. And at this point ‘whataboutism’ has lost all its meaning due to overuse by small minded propagandists on both sides who think it’s a magic word capable of invalidating valid criticisms which add relevant context.

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          More whataboutism to support whataboutism. Classic Zionist bullshit.

          It’s unacceptable when tankies do it, and it’s unacceptable when Zionists do it.

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            Im literally answering the first phrase of the article.

            “New evidence points to Israeli security forces, not Hamas, for causing the most fatalities at the music festival”

            No, most of the dead at nova were killed by Palestinians who proudly filmed themselves doing it. There are hundreds of videos like these showing hundreds of Israelis slaughtered by, again, PALESTINIANS. Hundreds of dead Israelis who represent the vast majority of dead at nova.

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                Yea ive seen a lot of them live on oct 7 as they were posted proudly by Palestinians on telegram. And the days later of videos found on gopros strapped on Palestinians proudly filming what they did.

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                  So you’ve quantified it, right? If you’re claiming Hamas caused more civilian casualties than the IDF, surely you can back this up with numbers?