• mastefetri@infosec.pub
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    11 months ago

    They’ll keep it up as long as business is good. If people will pay 12$ for a latte and lines are out the door, and there are no regulations to stop price gouging and predatory behavior, why wouldn’t they?

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      11 months ago

      Oh there are definitely laws to stop price gauging but that’s for small businesses and individuals who aren’t rich.

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            11 months ago

            I wouldn’t really call them a café, just a chain where you can buy drinks made from burnt-to-shit coffee beans.

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              11 months ago

              That’s okay. The coffee beans to chocolate, whip cream , soy milk, and extra caffeine ratio is like 1:99.

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                11 months ago

                You forgot the ten tablespoons of sugar that eats your insides to hide the taste of shit beans.

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      11 months ago

      why wouldn’t they?

      It’s not even a matter of “why wouldn’t they,” do much as a matter of they must.

      Absent of regulations, any company that doesn’t abandon every conceivable human moral in pursuit of more profit will find itself hopelessly out-competed by the ones that do. If your every competitor is charging $12 for a latte and paying their employees starvation wages, and you charge a reasonable amount and pay your employees a decent wage, then every hour you’re in business your competitors will be making more money than you, and you will always fall behind, unless something comes along to close that gap.

      Libertarians might try to say that eventually the free market will close the gap, but adults know otherwise. The free market doesn’t give a shit about human decency, the environment, the value of mom and pop businesses, or any of that. The free market can only ever want to make more money, every year, at a faster rate of increase, every year. Forever.

      Government is the only thing that can reasonably account for how things should be. Regulations are the only reason we don’t have 80 hour work weeks and children in the mines.

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      11 months ago

      Is $12 for a latte even price gouging?

      Like, $12 for milk and eggs? $12 for a pound of veggies or a gallon of gas or a jug of water during a hurricane? Sure.

      But I can buy a bag of beans for $12 and make ten cups easy. I just don’t know if I’d call it price gouging because you’re willing to pay out the nose for foamed milk.

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      11 months ago

      Lattes aren’t essential. Charging $12 for one is neither predatory nor price gouging. It’s arguably exploitatative but I don’t feel it’s our job to tell people they’re not allowed to waste their own money.

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        11 months ago

        Acting on “what the market will bear” instead of what at cost as well as labour is predatory in that it is opportunistic in the basic definition of what makes predatory behaviour predatory. It is also gouging as it is setting a price range that can be considered exclusionary. And then to also attack a customer who feels this and speaks it can be considered victim blaming as you’re enabling these behaviours by dismissing the feedback of the victim, which again is being exclusionary by enforcing their money to be taken but not allowing they can be part of the feedback or setting boundaries of what is happening to them.

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          11 months ago

          When you call someone choosing to buy a $12 latte a victim it makes everything else you say impossible to take seriously.

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            11 months ago

            If these people have been raised by exploitative pricing all their life, I honestly am not sure who to blame anymore.

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            11 months ago

            you use ‘choice’ like $3 latte is an option. You’re bent on manipulating people so it’s hard to take you seriously.

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              You can get a latte at Dunkin donuts for $2.69 or McDonald’s for $1. Or, and this is going to blow your mind, you can live without lattes. We’re not talking about insulin ffs. How fucking entitled are you talking about a luxury item like it’s a necessity lmao

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        11 months ago

        to be fair a setup that can make espresso drinks in the same quality league as coffee shops will cost in the range of 1000-3000€ but if you drink one cup per day then you can save that amount in a year by making coffee at home

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            11 months ago

            well if you got savings but low income you can afford one time costs such as that. i got a 1k espresso setup mainly so i dont have to spend 20-40% of my disposable income on coffee from cafes

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          11 months ago

          Bambino is 600, if you do the math it pays itself off in like two or three months of owning one vs going to a coffee shop.

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              11 months ago

              It is if you learn how to set the temp settings and use the right bean, grind size and milk. A decent cup of coffee is the sum of parts. And if the customer who does all this is just as satisfied, that’s all that matters.

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                11 months ago

                That’s just not correct. Yes, a drink is the sum of the parts, but if all 4 parts are 9.9/10, and your Bambino can’t get to 9.9/10 level, the drink will come out inferior.

                Although I do agree with your last statement, the Bambino cannot pull a shot like a high-grade industrial machine can.

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                  11 months ago

                  I’m going out on a limb and argue that a great cup of coffee can probably be made with some rather simple and cheap lab equipment.

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                    Absolutely, all I’m saying is that you cannot pull the same shot with a Breville as with an industrial grade Espresso machine like great independent shops use.

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        And so easy just grow your own beans on your acres of land, toil it, roast those beans and voila. Same with brewing your own beer, grow your hops…etc. or wine, grow your own grapes…

        You could say that about any food really.

        But if you say that oh, the frazzled parents and people who live in mere apartments without land to grow this stuff or people with two jobs and can’t pick their own farm land will come down on you so hard. So spoilt.

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      11 months ago

      I have a hard time arguing for price controls for lattes. We aren’t talking water or housing or basic staples of food here.

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      11 months ago

      It is like people who continue to feed ticketmaster and the resale markets with their predatory fees and prices. Why shouldn’t they keep doing it if people will keep paying their insane prices for nonessentials?

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        11 months ago

        Legit not arguing but other than going to the physical box office, what alternatives are there to Ticketmaster? I would love to know so I can stop giving them money.

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          11 months ago

          Absolutely. There is no real alternative for most people but at least it isn’t a necessity. They have a nice monopoly going.

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          11 months ago

          Go to venues that you deal with them direct. Is it really important that you see the most popular musician at the best venue or is it more important that you heard some fun music with your friends? Make a decision and live with the decision