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      Funny, you didn’t read the study and came to that conclusion. Yes, ignorance is bliss when you don’t read the material.

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        I read it. Yeah no kidding, conservatives don’t take their kids for treatment for mental health problems. I’m sure their kids are a lot less stressed, too, they live in a world full of hope where the impending climate catastrophe is just a liberal hoax and where mass political violence is seen as a good thing. They are morons. They are ignorant, of course they are happy, they don’t have to face their problems because they are so gullible they don’t realize there is one.

        Just another thing to make liberals sad, is how dumb conservatives and their idiot kids are.

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          Yeah no kidding, conservatives don’t take their kids for treatment for mental health problems

          You don’t take your kids to something they don’t need. Just like most conservatives do not take their kids to chemotherapy.

          they live in a world full of hope where the impending climate catastrophe is just a liberal hoax That isn’t true at all.

          https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/543403-heres-what-young-conservatives-think-about-climate-change/

          They are morons

          Not at all.

          They are ignorant, of course they are happy, they don’t have to face their problems because they are so gullible they don’t realize there is one.

          It’s the exact opposite if you have read any studies. They have to face their problems, unlike liberals. They don’t expect others to solve their problems. They are expected to solve their problems.

          Just another thing to make liberals sad, is how dumb conservatives and their idiot kids are.

          You have proven the opposite here. Everything makes liberals sad, that is why they are not mentally healthy.

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            Nah it’s really just that conservatives are morons, too stupid to see how fucked things are. They are born asleep and they die asleep, living their entire life bouncing from one distraction to the next, a scapegoat for every problem, never a moment of self reflection or real compassion for others.

            I’d be much happier too if I could just outsource all the blame for my problems onto immigrants or trans people or something, absolve myself of any personal flaws no matter what I get myself into, but again, I’m not a moron, so sometimes I have anxiety.

            These people thought COVID was a hoax, you want them to self report whether their kids have mental health problems? I bet also that none of them report their kids are gay or trans. Ignorant.

            Some of these people that don’t even realize thier own mental illness think Donald Trump won the election in 2016; can’t really trust insane cult members to credibly diagnose their kids mental illnesses.

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    Something springs to mind about correlation… some kind of saying…

    Regardless, I don’t think polling people is a good way to determine mental health outcomes.

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    I know this is anecdotal but I have met/ known a few preachers daughters and other kids from church that don’t fit that profile at all.

    And is there any study on the long term effects? Again anecdotal, but Patti Davis married and divorced a yoga instructor and became a pot-smoking vegetarian. I wonder very much what Ron and Nancy, well mostly Nancy since Ron had dementia, I wonder what Nancy thought of that. And Michael Reagan had a lot of trouble with the law. But I suppose they were happy children, so they had that going for them, which is nice.

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      That, and there needs to be a control for family wealth, which is tied to political affiliation.

      If you’re from a poor family, you’re gonna have a lot more stress in your life, which will impact parententing style and children’s happiness. You’re not going to be happy when you don’t know if you’re having dinner that night.

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    Here’s the actual study

    …we measured mental health using an index, which combines youth-reported measures of well-being and mental health with parent-reports, as well as parental concerns about self-harm. The index has strong reliability and also predicts objective measures of mental health problems, such a psychiatric visits and prescriptions. For the purposes of this analysis, I define good mental health as scoring above average on this index, which is true for 62% of respondents; similarly, 67% of adolescents report their own mental health as good or excellent, and the two measures are highly correlated.

    Naturally, public media reporting greatly overextends the research. At best, conservatives have kids have a higher than above average mental health index, or are less likely to self-harm, have fewer psychiatric visits and prescriptions. They are not necessarily happier.

    Also, this is extremely interesting:

    Very conservative parents, on average, enjoy the strongest relationships with their adolescent children, and liberals experience the worst. The difference is large and statistically significant at 95% confidence levels. Conservative parents are 8 percentage points more likely to be in a good relationship with their adolescent child than liberal parents, and the gap is 14 percentage points between very conservative and liberal parents.** Interestingly, however, “very liberal” parents score much higher than liberal parents, only slightly behind conservatives, with no significant difference**.

    If a kid’s mental health is related to their parent’s conviction of their political ideology, then liberals need to get their shit together and move to the left. They’re not doing anyone any favors with whatever their preferred parenting style is…or their weak politics.

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      To be clear this study is a meta-analysis. It means it is not one study but a combination of data from many studies. Study after study has shown conservative people and children tend to be happier and have fewer issues with mental health. It isn’t shocking since the core of conservatism is stability and that is what children need to be successful. We provide them with the tools in life to control their destiny versus being a victim all the time. Their success is their own making vs some outside even being their destiny.

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        To be clear this study is a meta-analysis.

        No it’s not…

        From my link under the section “The Present Study”

        We have access to our Gallup Panel, which consists of approximately 90,000 U.S. adults who were randomly selected to take a Gallup survey in the recent past and agreed to be recontacted for future surveys.

        This is an empirical question:

        Study after study has shown conservative people and children tend to be happier and have fewer issues with mental health.

        Usually, I’d look for the evidence, but not today. If you can assert by simply typing it out, then I’ll reject it out of hand just as easily.

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          Sorry error on my part, they cited a meta-analysis.

          A recent meta-analysis finds that an insecure attachment in early childhood strongly predicts the onset of major depression in childhood and adolescence.

          The results—summarized in meta-analyses—are clear: Authoritative parenting predicts fewer mental health problems and delinquent behavior, both at the time of measurement and in the future. Both harsh and overly permissive parenting predicts higher risk of mental health problems and problematic behaviors, as does neglectful parenting.

          Usually, I’d look for the evidence, but not today. It’s in the study.

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            Oh, yeah, I read that.

            But the meta-analysis didn’t say that conservative people and children to tend to be happier and have fewer issues with mental health. It said that an authoritative parenting style predicts fewer mental health problems and delinquent behavior.

            That suggests the questions: Are conservative parents statistically more likely to employ an authoritative parenting style? If yes, then we could conclude that kids of conservatives are less likely to have mental health problems. But that question was neither asked nor answered by anything I’ve read today.

            The study is not about happiness. Happiness is defined in the positive, actively having and experiencing a particular feeling or set of them. Thus, a lack of mental health problems, which the study is about, is not happiness.