The Journal reported executives at SpaceX worried Elon Musk was on drugs after an “unhinged” all-hands meeting in which he slurred and rambled.

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    This is the way he’s always been and it’s only getting worse.

    Employees have always had to manage him not the other way around; a perpetual petulant toddler banging his hands on the table; ruining everything he touches with his Reverse-Midas-Touch so they keep him at bay.

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      This is increasingly the characterization of so many rich and powerful people.

      Soooo weird…

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        If you have money, then in the business world you have intrinsic value.

        When you have enough, you reach the tipping point where it doesn’t just need to be the only thing you provide, but it outweighs others ways you hurt the business.

        The less your ideas are useful and the more money you hoard, the faster it changes.

        It can go quickly downhill when the CEOs wealth is tied to stock price.

        And ends disastrously when they go somewhere that workers aren’t used to them. Because the CEO was never told they used to be babysat just for their money, they legit believe they’re a genius

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          It’s impressive then that the starship stack is stainless steel not carbon. Musk planned a giant carbon fibre rocket. The engineers he hired got him to change size and change material

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        You have to think who gets that wealthy and is like “Let’s go to work!” You have to be psychotic to have more wealth than you can ever spend and not go fuck off somewhere and enjoy it. I would never go back to a job even if I was running the place, I’d just do whatever I wanted to do for the rest of my life.

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          See, idk if I could do that the rest of my life. I’m dreading retirement, even though it’s a long way off, as I have no idea how I’ll handle it…
          I could do maybe a month of nothing then I start getting antsy and depressed. Working gives structure to my life, and while I really hate getting up and going to it, it’s better for me than the alternative…even when I don’t have to worry about money.

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            Yea, but would you pretend to be a business genius while in actuality being the world’s biggest spoiled dork? Like Tommy Boy but without the charisma and infinitely more needy for a positive reception. I think, even as delusional as I am, you and I would recognize we’d likely need a different role.

            Musky boy gives us the Cyber Truck, and a dancing jackass in a leotard and helmet for a robot…

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              No, but I’m neither rich nor a narcissistic prick, just a regular asshole.
              Always thought Musk was a piece of shit, glad my initial thought is being proven correct.

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            I feel you. On the other hand, you might find something different to pass/spend your time with. Maybe you return to your job. Maybe you start a new company, maybe you start to do arts and crafts, or…

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            I feel you. On the other hand, you might find something different to pass/spend your time with. Maybe you return to your job. Maybe you start a new company, maybe you start to do arts and crafts, or…

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            That’s a pretty sad revelation. We’ve been so beaten down that we can’t imagine being happy pursuing whatever we’d like to do day after day without “creating value.”

            And we only get this one go at life. One life to live and we’ve been so sapped of the entire concept of “living” that work is our life. How sad that is.

            It just seems crazy. I don’t know, it just feels so wrong to hear people think this way.

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              Ehhhh. I’m a Stone Mason working in conservation, my job is really satisfying and rewarding. I enjoy my work generally, and passing on the skills to the next generation is an extra bonus feel good. I wish I was able to structure my own life enough to not want to go to work if I was independently wealthy, but currently struggling with possibly adhd or autism spectrum stuff, and while I would love to be able to work on stuff for myself I need external structure…

              Yes, I know that last sentence was a bit fucky, I’m in bed and lazy, not changing it.

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        Generations of inbreeding will do that to you.

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          I enjoy it, but I prefer calling him Terrence Howard because he’s a fake iron man who is going to be replaced.

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            Mr. “If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what’s the square root of two? Should be one, but we’re told it’s two, and that cannot be.” Terryology Howard?

            Refuting thousands of years of knowledge and science and saying we’ve, ‘been doing math wrong this whole time’ takes a whole nutter level of nutter.

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              See? He and Elon need to get together and compare science notes. Imagine the new Tesla/SpaceX Cyber Rocket Truck those two could come up with together!

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    At SpaceX, where illicit drug use could jeopardize the billions of dollars of government contracts enjoyed by the defense contractor due to federal regulations, The Journal’s reports of Musk’s drug use put at risk nearly $1 trillion in assets held by investors, about 13,000 jobs, and the future of the US space program.

    And I thought Twitter was going to be his biggest fuck up.

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        Fuck Them! They can’t blackmail me to stop taking drugs!

        —Musk, probably

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        Really though, what’s the point of having “fuck you” money if you don’t tell people “I don’t care. Fuck you” every once in a while? (Or… daily)

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          I always thought of “fuck you” money as a statement being made up the chain. Saying “fuck you” to all the employees below him is not cool.

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            the point of having “fuck you” money is that you can say “fuck you” to anyone and it won’t impact you. If you would like to say it to the people up the chain, that’s fine. If you’d like say it to someone else, that’s fine too. Who gives a shit? You certainly don’t. You’ve got “fuck you” money.

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      I don’t think Twitter was a fuck up. It’s likely he had $20B or something insane in cap gains (maybe from selling Tesla shares or other investments).

      He took Twitter private sold it on paper to same private shareholders, now can claim $17B or whatever it is in losses. Now he pays nothing in taxes, has one of the largest Internet mouthpieces he can use to sway elections, etc. The only people who took losses are banks he used to swing purchase and the twitter landlord he is refusing to pay.

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        I mean, it single-handedly ruined everyone’s understanding of who he is and what he can do in the most humiliating ways imaginable. But if you want to spin it as a tax write off supermove, okay. It can be two things I guess.

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    We can excuse the racism, the transphobia, and the antisemitism, but we draw the line at drugs!

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      That can lose them their security clearance and government contracts, so kind of a big deal.

      The racism and transphobia and everything else can be ignored because it doesn’t affect their bottom line in the society we live in.

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      Don’t you see? All of those other things were BECAUSE of the drugs! It’s exactly like what happened to Roseanne and her Ambiens!

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        He’s always been a racist, homophobic, sociopathic capitalist. Aligning with fascists is the trajectory of most like him. The drugs just make it more obvious…

        (Yes is read the /s but I still felt an opportunity to get a jab in because fuck this guy)

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      Anyone else would be fired for coming into work while high.

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      Oh, they’re probably okay with certain drugs, but slurring speech indicates he’s taking the wrong kind.

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    with one executive describing the event to the outlet as “nonsensical,” “unhinged” and “cringeworthy.”

    This is different from normal?

    Also:

    SpaceX also began cracking down on illegal substances at the company by bringing in drug-sniffing dogs, sources told The Journal.

    How much do you want to bet those dogs are never allowed up in the executive suites?

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      What kind of company has such a bad drug problem that they need to bring in dogs to find it? Absolutely ridiculous.

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          In normal corporate environments I’ve seen people abuse everything from codeine headache tablets to crystal meth.

          Not defending Edolf Twitler, I’m just saying it’s not unusual for these environments to be so toxic that people look for ways to manage.

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            I don’t find the drug use abnormal so much as them bringing in drug sniffing dogs to catch it rather than dealing with it on an individual basis.

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              Probably less for actually finding drugs than for checking a tickbox on an insurance form for “taking measures to combat drugs” or something. It’s probably just Ricky from HR’s dobie-doodle mix.

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        I don’t think it’s that they had such a rampant drug use problem. I think it’s just that they wanted to appease Uncle Sam so they could keep sucking on that taxpayer teat. Uncle Sam’s a bit of a stickler about such things, especially when it comes to people who build rocket ships.

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      Well the smart money can only go inverse, and tripling down with a “I’ll see your bet and raise it 500%” that a drug dog absolutely will find a shit ton of drugs in the executive areas. I’d take out the largest loan I possibly could, then go to a loan shark and do a blood contract, and absolutely muster every possible cent I possibly could after whoring my own ass out, on THAT bet.

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      I don’t know, this might make a few kids skip taking drugs. Maybe his cringeworthyness is finally doing something good.

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    … Musk’s drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, …

    Explains…soooo much. Still an asshole, though.

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      Yea… You kinda’ have to be a real piece of shit to be on that many drugs and still be an asshole. Good ol’ musky.

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      Sounds like the man is really bored with his life and all he has left are drugs to keep him entertained

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        I mean, with that kinda dough, you kinda run out of normal things to do.

        Drugs are probably the most normal thing he does.

        Which is why dumbasses pay millions to go see the wreck of the titanic and have pedo orgies in private islands.

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      Yeah, and sure he can pass a drug test if you consider:

      LSD: 12 hour wash-out time for a blood test
      Cocaine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test
      MDMA: 24-36 hour wash-out time for a blood test
      Ketamine: 24 hour wash-out time for a blood test, and it’s easy to get a prescription for off-label use to treat depression

      So basically, do all the drugs you want Friday night, by Monday morning you’ll be clean enough for a blood test.

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        You think musk worried about drug tests? Interesting.

        What are they gonna do? Fire him?

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    It’s news sure but is anyone thinking it’s groundbreaking news that Elon musk might be on drugs most of the time?

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        100% an upper or “microdosing” on a hallucinogen. Just a nibble of psilocybin every day before impregnating a secretary and after bed.

        This is entirely unrelated, aside from the stupidity of the subject, but I’m reminded of that fella who repeatedly injected mushrooms to try to get high. He sterilized the mushrooms by boiling, then blended, loaded into a hypo, and slowly plunged the mixture into his arm. He ended up with a complete systemic fungal infection but survived. I wish Musk would get creative with it.

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        No. We’re saying the SpaceX board is not on enough of them. Because they’re going to light up the whole business by leaving him in place rather than figuring out what it’s going to take to launch him into the sun. I mean remove him.

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    The guy was a decent salesman, heavilly empowered by daddy’s money and connections, who had a bit of luck, even though he only had one kind of salesmanship technique - the Techbro Brew: heavy on selling “high-tech” and “innovation” as inherently good and always trumphing other considerations - and kept walking the grey legal area between lies, exageration and Fraud.

    However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he’s a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.

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      Know this: having that amount of money is deeply not normal. None of us could do it. We’d save people. We’d build things that helped instead of giant toys. Billionaires are a type of sociopathy. And this guy’s got it bad.

      100% tax after 999 million. Full stop.

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        Exactly. Musk and Trump are the poster children for why you shouldn’t leave your kids everything if you’re wealthy. It’ll ruin their lives and the lives of their children.

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          Not trying to defend excessive wealth, but Trump and Musk were both ruined by their fathers.

          The regular model for self aware billionaires is to keep your head down. How much do you know about the Johnson and Johnson heirs? Or the Walmart heirs? They know their necks will be on the chopping block is they’re well known and a revolution comes.

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        “One tiny step for mankind and one giant leap for me personally” – Jason Alexander during a skit about piece of shit billionaires making dick shaped rockets going out into space.

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          The irony of course is Jason, Jerry, Julia, and Larry are all billionaires.

          edit: apparently Jason only has a net worth of 50 mil despite being on the most popular sitcom of all time and the comparative net worths of his colleagues. I guess he got nothing on the back end for syndication. Shitty.

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            Julia was rich before Seinfeld even aired.

            Larry and Jerry definitely got paid but I doubt either of them are billionaires.

            edit: She’s the daughter of French-born business magnate Gérard Louis-Dreyfus.

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            In comparison, that’s absolutely shitty and I agree. On the other hand I look at his net worth though and it reminds me of a recent article about Tesla’s cofounders, and how out of 5 only two “got rich”. Within that same article the guy with the lowest net worth was still worth 200 million. Jason’s hilarious and I love his work, but at the same time if he “only” is worth 50 mil, congrats to the guy for getting rich anyway.

            Good point though about the irony of it.

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        Musk spent a lot of money trying to teach people that that doesn’t work.

        He’s a billionaire because he owns the majority of Tesla and Tesla is very valuable. He has no taxable income unless he draws a salary or liquidates some of his Tesla shares

        He demonstrated it by liquidating some shares and getting a tax bill

        Billionaire spending money comes from a deal with a bank - the billionaire gets as much credit as they like, the bank is paid back by their estate upon death

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      I have a couple of acquaintances that are PayPal Mafia and what I’ve put together from them and anecdotes around the Valley is pretty much spot on what you’ve got here. He’s not special. Life just had a course that worked out for his douche ass.

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          I’d typically respond “aren’t they all?” But the MF has more money than God. I really don’t know what to make of him. I think he’s just a legitimate piece of shit incel king edge lord who lost the thread and doesn’t know he’s no longer just a troll. Maybe the daddy issues are so bad he cant see his own power. Why else act like this?

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            He grew up as a child of an emrald miner in South Africa under the aparthied regieme.

            Super rich kid in a historically notoriiously dehumanizing society.

            Its like perfect conditions for a narcisistic mental disorder.

            So im not really suprised by his bizzare conservative appeals against poor people, employees, regulators and the like.

            Comic books need villains too.

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              Nailed it. They always think they’re the victim hero saving us from ourselves. Who needs Kang and Doc Oc when you have jabronis like this guy and orangeman

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      However he seems to have started believing his own schtick that he’s a special golden boy whose farts smell of roses, and here we are now.

      Yeah, that’s the problem. Honestly, a lot of people would do this. That’s why corporations are supposed to have checks and balances.

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    I will admit, him being on drugs did not occur to me as a possible explanation for his ‘taking tesla private’ tweet that torpeedoed his networth, but having been confronted by it now I am having a hard time not believing it.

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      Musk’s drug use, which includes LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, and ketamine, according to people familiar with the matter, is at the center of an extensive new report from The Journal that details how executives at several of the billionaire’s companies have struggled to manage his substance use and erratic behavior.

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        Just FYI

        According to people familiar with the matter

        Means “We have no source for this and are probably making it up”

        Business Insider is a tabloid shitrag these days

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          Just FYI, “according to people familiar with the matter” generally means people who are speaking on background and asked to have their identifies protected. I guarantee you that the reporters and their editor(s) know the people involved and have good reason to believe they’re familiar with the situation and are reliable sources of information.

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          This is based on a Wall Street Journal report (which I didn’t link because it’s paywalled), so your strange anger at BI is a wee bit misplaced.

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            Dude is hanging out in a dedicated misogyny porn community.

            10 to 1 a MuskRat and just angry his man is being talked about badly.

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              “Hey there nice post. Unfortunately, here is some bullshit I dug up from your comment history which clearly demonstrates that you are unworthy of expressing your opinion”

              Not defending that guy, just really wish this type of behavior would just die along with the rest of r*ddit already. Something something ad hominem falacy

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                Oh I tend agree, if I was arguing directly against him it would be foul.

                However looking through peoples past comments and where they tend to hang out can infer a lot about the person.

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            No. Media bullshit is sitting at the core of a lot of today’s problems and the massive polarisation on basically any topic.

            Anger at low level journalism rags and even more at outlets trying to look respectable while actually having a similiar quality (and that definitely includes Business Insider ever since they were bought by the shithole of journalism that is Axel Springer SE) cannot be misplaced at all.

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              I mean, I’m all on board with anger at BI. It’s not that. It’s the WSJ article is the OP topic, it’s like ranting about Star Trek at a Star Wars convention. Not that it’s wrong, just misplaced or at least out of context.

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    And? Its only a crime when regular people do it, for rich people its just ‘eccentric’

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      Until it starts hurting the other rich people- the investors. Eventually, Musk’s erratic behavior will have to be dealt with. He will never be anything but a multibillionaire, but he may not be CEO of his companies much longer at this rate.

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    Has there ever been an all-hands meeting where the CEO was not cringeworthy?

    I just assume it’s the minimum amount of yearly cringe you have to endure to stay employed.

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      There’s a world of difference between a micro and a macro dose. You don’t want to be anywhere near work with the latter.

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        The difference being, with one you get a light, pleasant, happy, drunk adjacent feeling. With the other, you’re sitting on the ground staring into the infinite void of nothingness, head lolled to one side, while your friends dab the back of your neck with a cool towel, hoping you don’t puke and asphyxiate on it.

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          I’d argue that once you are feeling effects of the drug, you are no longer micro dosing.

          Micro dosing started out as a way to describe the maximum amount of substance you could take without feeling primary effects.

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            Yeah the whole thing is dumb. Let me eat as many mushrooms as I can without tripping balls so I can kinda work and think I’m a genius. That was hard enough to balance with weed in the office. Real drugs?? Are you fucking kidding me?? Worst case, nothing happens. “Best case,” I lose my career??? No thanks man. Maybe I’ll use them to clear my head on a Friday alone and use the sober new perspective on Monday. During work with no upside??? Nobody has to drive during the day??? End old man rant

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                I know that the rules for spravato (esketamine nasal spray, for depression) include no driving until after you’ve had a full night’s sleep.

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                  I didn’t drive regularly when I was younger and fucked around. But both then and sober old man now, I couldn’t fathom driving within 48 hours of any drugs. Even day after drinking, it’s not safe… if you’re drinking until last call, tomorrow isn’t tomorrow

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              But as your body builds up resistance you’re gonna have to increase the dose

              Also I imagine it’s like super sugar where people say “a little sweeter would be fine” and keep increasing the dose.

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                which is also why the doses need to stay micro; so the body doesn’t percieve it as something worth building resistance to.

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                I definitely don’t want to be anywhere near Level 2 of a mushroom trip when I’m trying to actually function.

                Just keep it nice and low; measure out 3.14g and split it 4 ways; have a quarter piece of Pi and all that cheesy goodness or wotnot.

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          That’s what the uppers are for.

          A micro dose of those, a macro dose of that, a pinch of meth a day keeps the voices away

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        Somebody hands him drugs, and in that moment they are one of the most powerful people in the world who is changing the short term course of mankind.

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            The action of supplying drugs to be ingested by one of the richest men on earth, destroying their rationality on a whim and for profit, is in itself the cause for the empowering feeling I described above. None of that shit you just said changes this context.

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      I heard some of the really wealthy Silicon Valley types kit out their own private laboratory and hire chemists.

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        I heard aliens are real. That doesn’t exactly make it true. I doubt anyone with half a brain would have a full blown narcotics lab. At least, I’ve never heard of such a thing.

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          Small batch boutique narcotics are a market just waiting to be milked in Silicon Valley.

          The purest of pure cocaine,…charge 10x the price of the best on the street.

          Any and all RC’s you’d ever want at your fingertips, etc etc.

          It’s just far too lucrative to think nobody is doing it.

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            Esp when you consider that most street drugs are laced with fentanyl/carfentanil.

            That almost guarantees the rich and famous have their own supply line.

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              Esp when you consider that most street drugs are laced with fentanyl/carfentanil.

              I’ve been wondering how this could make sense as I’ve seen it claimed more and more often (feels very similar to the original war on drugs hysteria of the 80s and 90s), and I admit I haven’t looked too deeply, but it seems this is once again something being overblown due to the war on drugs.

              **But according to experts, nationwide drug studies, and the DEA’s own data, fentanyl contamination in non-opioid drug supplies is exceedingly rare, and largely centered on a specific, highly-vulnerable subset of users. **Critics say this is why the alarm raised by health officials and law enforcement is so concerning: Authorities stoking broad, misleading fears of fentanyl poisoning the non-opioid drug supply marks a damaging mission creep in the battle to stem the opioid crisis. As we’ve seen previously in the War on Drugs, narratives based on fear, not data, distract policy makers, public health advocates, and even first responders away from those who are at real risk.

              There is lots more info on the article linked, I just cherrypicked these two summary statements.

              So why the misleading claims about recreational coke and cannabis users being at such a high risk?

              On one hand, public health officials are doing what they’re meant to do: warn the public about health risks. On the other, the scale of the concern around fentanyl contaminating the entire US drug supply is a very familiar narrative in the War on Drugs: the belief that dealers are governed not by economics but by malice, that users are helpless addicts, and that drug eradication is the only solution to these problems.

              There’s far more detail in the article.

              https://www.vice.com/en/article/8xyzkp/the-truth-about-drug-dealers-lacing-cocaine-with-fentanyl

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                Obviously, you aren’t around drugs/drug users that often. Fent definitely is a real issue. A lot of my drug using friends(that are still alive) have conspiracies about why its in everything thats “not natural”(weed/shrooms/etc) for lack of better term… But it has started to show up in everything the last decade. Uppers/downers/psychs. Shits ridiculous

                But for anyone dabbling… Test strips are cheap. Use them. Mix the shit up good and test, even if you gotta break down the rock. Your friends and family dont want to find you dead covered in your own shit, piss and puke cause you were to lazy and cheap to test the shit.

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                in non-opioid drug supplies

                That’s the qualifier. I have no idea why anyone would think marijuana would be contaminated with fentanyl.

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                  Fair, but that qualifier seems to be missing on billboards I see and even in this statement:

                  Esp when you consider that most street drugs are laced with fentanyl/carfentanil.

                  This gives the impression that cannabis, LSD, shrooms, etc etc are also at risk here.

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                  Especially when there are (semi-) legalized dispensaries that have to go through certified laboratories. Hey, maybe that’s the solution.

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          I don’t know… Some of us common folk put a lot of what money we have into little hobby pot farms and greenhouses. If a billionaire just keeps throwing money at it, they can have a pretty nice setup of whatever drug manufacturing they want.

          You’re right, though. Never heard of it, but I won’t be surprised if we ever do.

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            Yeah but he was trying to make a new super meth Viagra to fuel his week long orgies, he’s not really a typical case

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              Typical among multi millionaires and billionaires? I’m not so sure. Especially when they’re named Elon.

              Also, McAfee was a known poster to certain forums where home drug lab questions were common, so it’s certainly a thing.

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    Doesn’t he slur and ramble most of the time? I have never heard him make a sentence without stuttering.

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        If you watch the recent hour long interview where he told advertisers to fuck off, something seemed off about how he was talking then as well. I’ve watched my fair share of interviews and what not with him and even I thought something was up there.

        Not saying it’s drugs, but something is going on with him

        Edit: late edit after watching the all hands in question. This didn’t seem unusual for Elon and I didn’t get the same weird vibes I got during the interview I mentioned above. They did cut off the Q&A though so maybe something happened in that. Also the whole thing seemed unneeded. More of a public facing thing for people/media and not an all hands.

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          It think that he is slowly realizing the change in public perception of him and as a narcissist it’s getting to him. This could also explain the drug use too.

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            Yeah, I’ve heard a psychologist say he’s showing clear signs of social media addiction (which is a pretty interesting/funny case when you’re also rich enough to buy the entire media company).

            I wouldn’t be surprised if he has other addiction going on at the same time. I mean who can tell this guy he has a problem? Who can say no to this guy, nobody has any authority over him…

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                But cops aren’t obligated to tell someone they have a problem. Apparently they aren’t obligated to do anything… (but that’s another rant). So there’s really nobody who can tell him to get his life together until a cop has reason to tell him he has the right to remain silent.

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    What would be scarier is if he wasn’t on drugs. Being on drugs means that there is a “normal state” for him to return to.