It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it’s users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

  • justdoit@lemm.ee
    13·
    1 year ago

    Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
      8·
      1 year ago

      o7. We’re out here for yall, and we’re gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.

      • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        03·
        1 year ago

        Thanks a lot, I was thinking of DMing about it. I am vocal about defederation of Big Tech instances, and any Big Tech elements (Cloudflare, CF/Google captchas). These must be isolated away from Fediverse at all costs.

        For people who read this, I must also tell that WhatsApp, FB Messenger, Zoom, iMessage… all of these “chat” platforms are made upon defederated XMPP. Google used to also maintain a XMPP federated service, and killed XMPP for mass adoption. This is what Western Big Tech does.

        • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOP
          1·
          1 year ago

          It’s very strange to me that a lot of the pro-facebook views below seem to start with the base assumption that facebook is out to help the fediverse, and have no malicious motives behind all this. Its like inviting a con-man into your home because they super-promised they’ll make you rich.

          Really surprising that some people can’t see through Facebooks opportunism, and are suddenly willing to trust these con-artists.

          • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            The lack of critical thought has done a number on society. Everyone wants bite sized convenient information to parrot around, instead of doing research and being vigilantes of society, as the former is lazy and easy to do. I try a lot, but the discourse gap has widened so much, that many people only bother to talk and listen when they are hurt by these tech giants and big brands.

            Last month, I did make a comment regarding defederating any Twitter/Facebook instances in Fediverse, and I surprisingly received some downvotes. People just do not realise the dangers of wanting growth at all costs. Preventing poisoning of roots is essential.

          • gogozero@lemmy.sdf.org
            01·
            1 year ago

            i doubt they have any malicious intent because the fediverse is nothing to them. they’ll use and improve activitypub, which is great, but eventually corporate strategy/shareholders will take them in a different direction and they’ll fork. damage will de done to the fediverse regardless, but there is no malicious intent involved.

            lets not federate and take their contributions to source, best of both worlds.

  • Mikina@programming.dev
    7·
    1 year ago

    I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I’ve seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don’t like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

    It’s quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

    This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

    The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

    Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

    Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

    Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn’t be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

    • Beliriel@lemmy.world
      0·
      1 year ago

      Centralisation will always set in due to sheer complacency. I mean it has already happened. The main player in the reddit-like fediverse is lemmy.world
      No other instance comes close to the size of lemmy.world
      I also disagree with Metas method of tracking and monetising every last bit of data (I’m trying to get rid of their platforms myself) but to expect the fediverse to be a balanced mixture of access points is just daydreaming.

      • Mikina@programming.dev
        1·
        1 year ago

        I don’t expect it to be balanced. I also don’t mind that a lot of users are centralized at lemmy.world - because we know the admins, and there isn’t a largescale corporation behind them that would be capable of monetizing and manipulating their userbase. The only kind of balance I want is that there isn’t an instance with multi-billion funding and teams of engineers dedicated to squeezing their userbase and monetizing every character they type. Sure, it will inevitably happen that someone from an instance would try something like this, but that’s an acceptable risk with community-run stuff and may or may not happen - and it probably won’t be as succesfull or large-scale. However, if you let in someone you are certain will do something like that, and has unimaginable amount of resources and manpower to do it, then they will just squeeze it dry while not shying away from exploiting every single privacy mistake there is in the protocol or our implementation.

  • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 year ago

    Prophylactic intervention is the best defense against Metastasis.

    Well done Lemmy.ml - hopefully the rest of the fediverse follows your example. This is, no exaggeration, an existential threat to the fed.

    • henfredemars@infosec.pub
      1·
      1 year ago

      The fediverse taking off is an existential threat to Meta. I have no doubt that they will take any actions they consider necessary to maintain control over most users.

      • Albinoss@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.

        • Luxsidus@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I already have an account ready to switch. It’s still early days so it should be relatively painless if it means sticking with the Lemmy instance that knows capital will only expand and ruin things in the pursuit of profit.

      • nostalgicgamerz@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        I’m thinking the same thing…they’re trying to avoid blowback by breaking the fedipact by just….saying nothing.

        I swear I’ll fucking leave if they don’t dederate with Meta

      • JeffCraig@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?

        This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.

        All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don’t take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that’s so ripe for admin abuse?

        The lemmy.world admins aren’t malicious… they’re just in over their heads. They’ve struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven’t built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.

      • Marxine@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        I am on lemmy.world, but the inaction of the admins there made me create an account here on .ml as soon as I saw one of the admins being basically as “naive” as Mastodon’s Rochko.

          • Marxine@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            They’re open as it seems (since I got to register today), but the sign-up process requires you to answer a few basic questions to verify you’re not a bot or spam account.

    • 0XiDE@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      Well, why don’t we have a Lemmy feature where the individual user can block content and users from an instance? Rather than defederating completely?

    • Tyrangle@lemmy.world
      01·
      1 year ago

      I wonder how qualified the average Lemmy user is to participate in this sort of decision. This call to defederate feels a lot like Brexit. Maybe I’m just projecting my own ignorance, but I doubt 1 in 50 people have a more informed opinion than “meta bad”.

  • Luxsidus@lemmy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.

  • samideano@lemmy.ml
    2·
    1 year ago

    the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to preemptively block threats / Meta

    The only sane approach to this “dilemma”. Thank you for keeping the instance free of “threats” (I see what you did there)

    • Marxine@lemmy.ml
      1·
      1 year ago

      Congrats on being based as well! I’m not on your server, but thanks for looking out for your users.