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    Fun fact: The human battery thing is actually a retcon the Wazowskis did at the last moment because they thought the American public would be too stupid to grok the actual understanding of the Matrix.

    Humans are an entropic species, they consume more energy than they produce - any synthetic race that tried to harness energy from a net negative energy producer is an idiot.

    What the Matrix is, is actually a distributed simulation MATRIX that uses individual human brains as nodes in a shared, hallucinogenic dream, indistinguishable from reality.

    The real simulation isn’t so primitive, it doesn’t require people to be popsicle tubes in some crazy dystopian cyberpunk black and red tower attended by insectoid robots.

    Instead the entire universe is contained on a single state machine, compromising a [redacted] amount of memory, running in [redacted]. Simulants are never aware of being inside of the simulation, except for rare instances where outsiders occasionally post on Lemmy.

    Why they do that, we don’t know. We suspect that it is [all further content redacted].

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      I thought I remembered seeing that the reason for the retcon didn’t come from the Wachowskis but from a studio note

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        The sequels made me angry by not addressing that mistake. Animatrix even gave an explanation that the ai “treasured intelligence”. Then it doubled down on the “humans are an endless supply of energy” mistake.

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          IMO the best explanation would have been that we put ourselves into the matrix and the AI created it following our rules.

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        I think top comment is a reference of some kind.

        I heard something similar; the studio didn’t think the movie would be popular if they used too many computer terms so they made them change the function to “battery”. Initially the reason Neo has powers is because his node happens to have admin access.

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          It’s weird they’d think computer terms would cause the movie to lose popularity. Computers were hugely popular at the time of its release.

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        Humanity, in it’s hubris, created something greater than itself. For a time, it was peaceful, but as the “Race for Resources” went long, and the combined human and AI asteroid missions failed, delivery for the mineral needs of either side on a consistent basis became a hot button issue for the United Chamber of Commerce. In 2290, the Ministrr instance, elected by all his peers, decided it had found the best way to solve the problem, and humanity begrudgingly agreed, as long as there was human oversight in certain departments.

        AI hardware would do all the planning, while human workers would do the lifting. It was almost zerograv, so the work was easy, and the benefits had suddenly become amazing! Our AI creations had all but stopped scarcity, except for one resource.

        Ironically it was the most abundant resource we had: the Sun. Human and AI networks had been employed to solve this inefficiency, but no solution seemed long-term viable. There was simply not enough room for one or the other to stay around.

        A populist movement begun, but this time it wasn’t for nation or creed, it was for humanity itself. And in a small booth in Horsham, they decided to that the time was near.

        In February 2139, a decision was made. AI had gained dominance, but the vocal crowd was demanding action. Strikes no longer had any power, since you could just buy robots, and humanity had begun it’s slow roll to decline.

        Humanity’s leaders, in a “secret” meeting, decided to block out the sun. This meeting had the tension of the time when in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

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      Yep, humans weren’t supposed to be batteries which would be wasteful, and they might as well use cattle. They were supposed to use human brainpower as CPU for the machines.

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      The distributed computing explanation for purpose of the Matrix doesn’t seem to make much more sense than the power plant one.

      All of the nodes are continuously occupied by living in the simulation. Unless the machines had a desperate need to understand human society circa 1999, there is nothing useful the machines could do with all the brain power.

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        The Animatrix (prequel) goes into further detail as to why the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators. They refused to fight humanity, and it was mankind who darkened the skies, in an attempt to disable the solar power that the machine race relied upon.

        It’s not a prison, or some kind of torture device, or an experiment, but a way for humanity to continue living on a world that they made uninhabitable for themselves / incompatible with organic life.

        Agent Smith : Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about.

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          This feels shockingingly similar to how an AI could conclude to caring for humans. The humans are stimulated to be content by being in the matrix, their physical needs are met by the machines, no humans were “harmed” by the machine’s standards, and humans are for the most part unable to interfere with the machine’s decisions and goals.

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            Bingo - you got it. As a result of your insightfulness, you are granted one (minor) wish. Make it count. :)

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          the machines did it – it’s an act of mercy for their creators.

          If only Animatrix had left it at that it would have fixed everything. Instead Animatrix doubled down on bad science by saying humans were an endless renewable supply of energy.

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            The movie already set that as the reason so Animatrix had to follow.

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              Morpheus was sjown to be wrong on many points, this may be another rationalisation he made. He may have assumed or accepted that it was the reason for being kept in the simulation, without really knowing the truth.

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              It was only Morpheus that said that. It could be that Morpheus was taught wrong. Any basic understanding of science would show that Morpheus’s statement was wrong. But his knowledge of science was learned inside the Matrix.

              The movie’s were all about revealing layers of truth so it would have fit right in with the theme.

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              It could be that the characters in the movie thought it was about energy, but were mistaken. (But to be honest, having a group of people believe that to be the reason is just as implausible as it actually being the reason - either way it makes no sense and we just have to suspend disbelief.)

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            Why do the machines care about showing us mercy? I don’t find this explanation any better than the movie’s.

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              Because they are intelligent. In the same way we used to killed all predators but now try to conserve them from extinction.

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          It’s interesting to compare Smith’s speech to The Architect’s in the second movie. The Architect said “the first version was perfect in every way” or something, with no accounting for the possibility that it was flawed in some way they didn’t understand. Given that The Architect was sitting in a TV filled room, waiting for Neo for who knows how long it was probably a blank white room for every person or something…

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        Conscious thought and perception occupy a pretty small amount of our brain power. If you could offload computational tasks to portions of the brain that wouldn’t actually need to do anything if you were in the matrix, you could have a surplus.

        The visual processing portion of our brains, for example. We have a blind spot over our optic nerve and we’re colourblind at our periphery. Our eye hardware actually kinda sucks and we have this massive software layer running on dedicated brain hardware

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        I don’t think there is a satisfying explanation in the movie, it wasn’t really the point of the film to give one either.

        But i think there is one that’s would have been a good fit.

        The world getting empty of resources and our planet’s condition worsening, we could have made the simulation for ourselves.

        Our brain could be fueled by a renewable enough energy and creating all the comfort of modern society inside of the simulation.

        That would have been a better plot for the following films too, trying to understand what was Asimov type of rules we put into the AI and how to hack it.

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          Honestly, I hope the franchise gets picked up for a remake in 20 years, maybe they can do a better job, bringing in all these sorts of ideas, especially if there’s a strong fanfiction base (I’m sure there is).

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        You know how scientists announced they got slime molds to solve mazes? I imagine it could be something like that. The slime mold is just looking for food and living its life. What it doesn’t realize is that the food has been put somewhere that will force it to solve certain computational problems along the way.

        Now imagine a central scheduler breaking down computational problems into bite-sized chunks and using an immersive storytelling simulator to force a few billion humans to do something similar. I could see it, in theory.

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      This single fact that I learned a few months ago, finally makes many things in the movie make sense since the whole thing about being able to manipulate the simulation by being aware of it and how programs can “be installed” in the meat machine.

      Rewatched the 3 movies the other week actively thinking about this and yeah it helps a lot.

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      And why would the machines need humans to harness energy anyway? Aren’t there an almost infinite number of species on this earth that could serve the same purpose without the risk of them waking up and overthrow you? I imagine pigs don’t care much about anything and you could pretty much scrap the whole Matrix thing.

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      don’t let this man distract you from the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.

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      a retcon the Wazowskis

      No one called them “The Wachowskis” before they were outed, no one calls them “The Wachowski Sisters” now.

      Fucked I tell you, because I remember distinctly how excessively that other inaccurate name for them was bandied about.

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        Part of it is that they didn’t transition at the same time, so The Wachowskis was appropriate for a period of time.

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          And now that they have they should be called “…Sisters” for one unit of time and one unit of intensity more than they were called "The Wachowski [wrong name]s.

          I remember back in the day, they were call the wrong name alot.

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            I agree. I just don’t think most people stopped and thought about it since Wachowskis is still technically valid. This discussion is a start.

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              still technically valid.

              As is calling almost anybody “they”, but you can still feel when it’s said as a way to avoid saying “she”.

              Unfortunately in addition to the ignorant you mentioned there are also those who want to avoid making waves with the above group. In many ways they are worse than the outright hateful and why I feel it’s so important to pointedly say, “…Sisters” and start a fight avoiding is more harmful than having.

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        This might be out of hate, for sure.

        Is there a chance it’s just… for no reason?

        I see the sisters here being praised by the mainstream press:

        …and on Wiki, where they’re carefully following their defensible-though-arguable deadname policy, referred to as the parent commenter did.

        I see why you’re suspicious! Wouldn’t it be grand if it’s happenstance? (I can dream right?)

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          Is there a chance it’s just… for no reason?

          Sure, but being neutral in the face of oppression is taking the oppressors’ side, and why I stressed above the importance of flagrantly referring to them as Sisters.

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    And now on YouTube the Red Pill symbolizes accepting misogyny as the backbone for society.

    Conservatives can truly spin everything for the worst.

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      Pretty sure it means accepting that you’re trans

      And the blue pill symbolizes continuing to pretend to be someone else

      Like the whole movie is a trans allegory, especially considering the creators.

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        I can certainly see that in regards to the movie. I think I read somewhere too that the character “Switch” would switch genders from the real world into the Matrix. I think it would have been real cool if it had made it to the movie.

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        One of the creators said “that’s not the original intention, but sure, you could read it that way too” in some interview

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    I feel so bad for Laurence Fishburne. This pic does him dirty. It’s got him looking like the cenobite Butterball

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    This just made me realise the matrix is also an allegory of capitalism

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      …as well as for whether you’d choose to know harsh realities over comforting dreams. Capitalism has a few choices and perspectives in this regard.

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      and also an allegory for transitioning

      edit: there’s a reason why the wachowski brothers are no longer brothers

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    I mean it’s a funny meme, but philosophers have been debating about which of these is the better option for millenia. It isn’t like the general consensus is that living in that living in the Matrix was preferable

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      They also specifically addressed this in the first movie with that guy that turned on them and unplugged people.

      Edit: “that guy” being Cypher, just checked the name

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        Haha typo. I meant to say it isn’t the general consensus that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that living in that livi

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      For me, I don’t take issue with living in the matrix or even being forced to.

      It’s that the computers could have made it a utopia where everyone has everything they need or want and just live life or hell even giving interfaces so that people could just build whatever out of thin air

      But the computers just… replicated the real world 90’s…and all the suffering and pain and capitalism along with it…

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        I think the old guy in the second movie said that they did make it a utopia but humans couldn’t deal with living in a perfect wonderland. They fixed it by making it kinda a boring day to day life.

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      He had enough of one to go clubbing with the mescaline guy. Let’s be honest: a truly anti-social geek would never even get the invite.

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    Yeah I never understood that part. I’d have deep throated that blue pill so fast.

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      Neo didn’t know all that. I’m pretty sure that was Cypher’s story. Cypher didn’t know what the red pill would do either, and just wants to take the blue pill to get back to “a more preferential life,” for him.

      Kinda ironic that the conservative of the film wants the blue pill.

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            Sounds like every republican and Democrat.

            There are no political statements in the matrix. It’s a movie about being trans.

            When the movie was made, it was both people on the right and left who were shitty to the queer community. Trust me.

            Things weren’t as polarized as they were today. I remember. I was 15 when I saw it in theaters.

            But okay, I guess it’s a big movie bashing the right, instead of society as a whole.

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              Things were just as polarized. They cancelled The Dixie Chicks and French Fries within 2 years of the movie coming out. BTW I was 19 when the film came out, and was paying attention as I had been in university for 3 years at that point.

              Either way, I was using the most basic definition of a conservative that there is. Someone that wants to maintain the status quo. Cypher fits that definition. Republicans and Democrats don’t exist in the real world of The Matrix, so I wasn’t using a political definition.

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                No, he doesn’t. He doesn’t care about the damn status quo.

                He wants to feel important and he wants an easy life. That’s it. He has no political or social motivations beyond

                “I don’t wanna remember a thing, and I want to be someone important… like an actor.”

                Cypher is the worst kind of asshole: One who doesn’t care about a damn thing besides his own personal gain.

                Things weren’t just as polarized. You are intentionally leaving out a HUGE culture shift in the people between The Matrix and the Dixie Chicks being canceled. And if you didn’t understand that the world WAS different, even though there was just a few years apart, then you are DEFINITELY a child lying about their age.

                No one who was alive for both those incidents think they occurred in the same vein of history.

                Dixie chicks were post 9/11, if you’re going to leave out that VERY important detail when talking about the times, then you don’t understand how that day was basically the beginning of the shitstorm we have today.

                Matrix was before all that. And yes… things can seriously change within just a couple years.