UNICEF has declared Gaza to be the “world’s most dangerous place to be a child.”
United States diplomats once again held up a vote on a watered-down United Nations Security Council resolution on Wednesday aimed at bringing more aid and relief to civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip as reports of starvation, mass killings, and other war crimes allegedly committed by the Israeli military continue to pile up.
“Allegations”? The UN has condemned them for war crimes already, over a month ago. There are no allegations here, only statements of fact.
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“This genocide is similar to other atrocities, whats the issue?”
You’re either an idiot, brainwashed, or wildly self centered. Regardless, you’re promoting death of innocent humans. Shut up or wake up, thats the best decision you could make in life right now if this is seriously your take.
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Recognize that the Palestinians are people with legitimate grievances and enter into peace dialogues with that at the front of your mind and the recognition that you will have to give an equal amount for what you ate asking them to give up.
Negotiate in good faith. It honestly isn’t a hard or complicated thought.
It only is complicated of you honestly believe Palestinians are less than you as a people.
This isn’t about Palestinians. This is about Iran funding Hamas to attack Israel.
Yes the Palestinians have legitimate grievances. They also have a government (Hamas) that has no interest in peace.
Do you honestly think that if Israel just stopped, opened up all the borders and let the Gaza strip do whatever it wanted, that the attacks would stop?
Are you really that naive?
’d love to hear your idea for a peace deal that Hamas would actually accept and 100% stop their attacks on Israeli Civilians for.
Remember the ceasefire deal of 2008 and 2012? Those.
The ones where they kept attacking Israel? Are you stupid?
I usually don’t like insulting people, but just how stupid do you have to be to say things like this you absolute fucking moron? Hamas completely stopped all rocket attacks, and policed other groups in Gaza to make them do the same, for the ceasefire duration. And the IDF response?
In August 2008, it was reported that Israel despite the ceasefire was still allowing in very few goods.[85] A WikiLeaks cable from the US embassy in Tel Aviv dated 3 November 2008 revealed that Israel still maintained the economy of the Gaza strip “on the brink of collapse” without “pushing it over the edge,”. The cable said that “Israeli officials have confirmed to Embassy officials on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy functioning at the lowest level possible consistent with avoiding a humanitarian crisis.”
What’s the problem with that? Even Egypt enforced that particular blockade.
Hamas was the one to break the ceasefire by continuing to smuggle in rockets and firing them at Israel.
First you’re mad that Israel is genociding Palestinians, and now you’re mad that they were blockading them after a violent internal takeover while allowing enough goods in to avoid a humanitarian crisis.
You realize that Gaza doesn’t produce rockets right? All of them(or the supplies) are being smuggled in with funding from outside sources (Primarily Iran) If Hamas wanted more economic growth and improved imports, do you really think that firing rockets at Israel was the correct political move?
Or maybe, just maybe, you’re being naive and not realizing that this is a war not between Israel vs Gaza, but a war of Israel vs Iran (who is using Gaza as a pawn). Israel is also being attacked from Lebanon by Hezbollah (also funded by Iran)
All of this would stop very quickly if Gaza wasn’t getting resupplied with weapons paid for by foreign powers.
If side A uses a human shield, and side B immediately kills that human without hesitation, side B has made a much more evil decision.
Nothing justifies genocide. Period.
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900 vs what is it now, 20,000?
Your math is poor.
Still wonder how many of those were killed by idf
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Israel has killed at least 8000 children in two months through indiscriminate bombing and forcing doctors to abandon babies in incubation units so they starve and die alone and rot.
Fuck the Israeli government. Israel has made itself a hotbed of terrorism.
This is literally the same logic. Learn to think better. Stop justifying genocide.
Israel has killed 20,000 civilians that Hamas is hiding behind.
Hamas hides in civilians populations for a reason, and it sure as hell isn’t for fun.
This isn’t a game, Hamas knows exactly what they are doing by having it’s militants spread out into these critical locations. They lose a few fighters, and gain international support.
Eventually the pressure on Israel will be too much and they will be forced to back down.
Then Hamas will build back up and kill another 1000 Israeli civilians in another attack. The cycle repeats.
Hamas doesn’t give a shit about it’s own people. Israel is correct on that front. Hamas could be using their people to provide aid, they have food, water, and fuel they’ve accumulated and are still smuggling in. They aren’t sharing it because they want it to keep fighting instead. Hamas’ leaders don’t even live in Gaza, they’re in other countries pushing the pawns around on a chessboard and sacrificing other people’s lives.
Like, I know that, because you’re a supporter of ethnostates you’re already arguing from such a bad faith position this almost isn’t worth it, but, even being the genius you are, certainly you would admit that the IDF would never allow Hamas to have actual established military bases even when not at war, right? You do get that? As soon as Hamas said “this is a military training facility” the Israelis would blow it up.
You’re acting like there’s some way for Hamas to carry out conventional warfare against a vastly more well-resourced occupying force.
Palestine is an ethnostate you absolute moron, Hamas has a stated goal of wiping out Israel.
Hamas is not supposed to be carrying out any warfare. Gaza should not have a military or weapons at all. They wouldn’t if it wasn’t for Iran supplying them in order to fight a proxy war against Israel.
This whole thing is geopolitical in nature. Which is why westerm governments are still making the decisions they are when the citizens are crying about civilians dying. It’s way above the heads of the average citizen. War sucks, but losing this war would be worse than supporting Israel in their fight.
“The people we’re genociding shouldn’t even have weapons” isn’t quite as sympathetic an opinion as you think it is.
Maybe someday we can get rid of ethnostates propped up by superpowers and Palestine can go back to being a diverse and plural land like it was for thousands of years before all the racists got shipped in.
They being genocided BECAUSE they’re attacking. Israel tried building walls and protections first, then hamas just started shooting rockets over them, then isreal built the iron dome system, and hamas continued attacking.
Maybe someday we can get rid of ethnostates propped up by superpowers and Palestine can go back to being a diverse and plural land like it was for thousands of years before all the racists got shipped in.
Are you fucking stupid? People have been killing each other over ethnicity and religion for literally all of human history. Including in the land now known as Israel. The ottoman empire literally had two sets of laws for jewish and islamic people, and intentionally made the jewish second class citizens. There were also multiple attacks and even massacres of jewish citizens during that period.
The ottoman empire literally had two sets of laws for jewish and islamic people, and intentionally made the jewish second class citizens.
The Ottomans being Israel in reverse, again, isn’t the ammo you think it is. The great thing is that society has progressed in the last 100 years and we now recognize apartheid and ethnostates are bad, and we can do better.
You’re using “we” here like “we” is everyone, but it isn’t.
A good chunk of the world population lives in an obvious ethnostate, something close to an ethnostate, or wants to be an ethnostate. Japan, China, India, Australia, Most of Northern and Southern Europe…
There is no common agreement that ethnostates are bad and that we can do better. Go ask someone in Tokyo, Oslo, or Rome.
Hell, go ask a good chunk of America if they’d like to see less immigrants and more white Christians…
So no, society hasn’t up and agreed that ethnostates are bad in principle. You’re talking out your ass.
If my ancestors lived in Norway 3000 years ago can I get a free trip to Norway and Norwegian citizenship? Will they give me a Saami person’s farm?
I’m sure Israel would love it if Hamas met them on an open battlefield, or even had nicely organized military bases they could attack.
Uh… Hamas is a resistance movement, not an army. They can’t have these things.
And why exactly does Palestine not have a military??
20,000 militants and in control of the government is an army, not a resistance movement.
There’s a reason Gaza is considered to still be occupied by Israel, and you’re very close to figuring it out.
Israel doesn’t consider Gaza to be occupied, and hasn’t for quite a while. They have neither a permanent military presence, nor do they impose governance over Gaza.
Even a bunch of the big lettered international bodies don’t consider it to be a traditional occupation.
Gaza is doing a great job of turning that around though, at this rate Israel will need to re-occupy it in order to crush Hamas.
You can’t attack your neighbor and expect them not to retaliate. It’s not like Israel has been invading Gaza and taking more land, it’s the same map as it was 70 years ago and has a giant border wall around it. Yes Israel has been invading the West Bank, but not Gaza (The west bank is a different group of people)
Even a bunch of the big lettered international bodies don’t consider it to be a traditional occupation.
They do, though. That’s what I meant. The UN and company consider Gaza to be occupied by Israel.
Also you’re forgetting something really important: The blockade is already an act of war. It’s enough as a casus bellus.
As far as I can tell, the UN only considers the West Bank occupied, not Gaza. Feel free to provide evidence otherwise.
If the blockade is enough for war, why isn’t Hamas going after Egypt too?
If the blockade is so bad, why does Mahmoud Abbas (the president of the state of Palestine) who is recognized by the UN, support the blockade of Gaza?
The United Nations, Human Rights Watch and many other international bodies and NGOs continues to consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip as Israel controls the Gaza Strip’s airspace and territorial waters as well as the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.
In January 2012, the spokesperson for the UN Secretary General stated that under resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly, the UN still regards Gaza to be a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories#Gaza_Strip
If the blockade is enough for war, why isn’t Hamas going after Egypt too?
Don’t ask me, probably because it wouldn’t make strategic sense.
If the blockade is so bad, why does Mahmoud Abbas (the president of the state of Palestine) who is recognized by the UN, support the blockade of Gaza?
Because he’s an Israeli puppet, and/or a traitor. There’s a reason almost all Palestinians hate his (and the PNA’s) guts. This is an American-backed ruler the people don’t want.
You would have, as Israel did, supported the apartheid south African government and condemned the ANC for being violent.
Zogby of Zogby polling did multiple polls of both Palestinians and Israelis and found that both supported a single state solution.
The difference is that the Palestinians were talking about a single state with equal rights for all, and the Israelis were talking about a single state where all the Palestinians were driven out.
You want peace? Recognize you’ve fucked an ethnic group over, and try to make reparations for what was done. Include them as an equal voice in the process.
And before you talk about how they’re enemies and you can’t make peace with them, enemies are explicitly who you make peace with. You don’t make peace with friends.
