I wanna see instances federated with most instances now that in individuals can ban entire instances. I know theres still some instances you want completely blocked from the off tho.
Do instances want to remain legally protected by blocking all those instances?
What do yall think about that?
I think a perfectly acceptable line to draw is “Is it reasonable to expect a large majority of the people on this instance would want this other instance blocked?” If the answer is yes, block them. If somebody has a problem with that, move to a different instance.
I don’t really understand what the problem is.
This does not apply when you can move or make your own instance. It’s like complaining about tyranny inside your own house. Like, what?
Because it should be up to the user to block what they wanna and not just biased moderators
The whole point about federation is you are welcome to find another instance that shares this view!
Personally, I don’t want to stumble onto CSAM or racist shit and have to block those instances myself. (It’s exhausting enough blocking the hentai and furry communities as it is!)
And it is. Users are free to create their own instance or choose one that blocks very minimally and augment with their own blocks.
My issue with other instances is largely their users and the new instance block feature merely blocks communities, not users. I’m very fine with continuing to avoid users of loli/pedo/alt right condoning instances.
Really? Crap,I guess they would need to add a separate option to choose if you want to ban just the communities or the users too…
AFAIK you can block the POSTS of another instance from your feed. And only posts from communities hosted on those instances. But their users’ comments and posts will still appear for you everywhere else.
Replies don’t go to your inbox either I’ve found. I’ve had the misfortune of being replied to by one of the Hexbear trolls and only noticed because someone else replied to that same comment aswell and I saw the troll’s reply in the context.
Do instances want to remain legally protected by blocking all those instances?
Er, what laws are we talking about here? You do realize that instances are run out of many different countries with wildly differing laws on speech, right? Also that very, very few countries (probably zero) are going to have laws on the books about fediverse instances federating with one another?
Honestly, I’m fine with the owners of various instances making decisions to federate or not federate with others. That sort of decentralized control is one of the benefits of federation. There is no single point of failure for the whole ecosystem. If one instance’s admin goes off the rails, it’s easy for people to know about and shift to a different instance. Sure, it also means that an admin can go off the rails and start defederating anything and everything they don’t like. Again, that’s not a problem with lots of well known instances out there for us to choose from. And it means that those folks with niche interests can build their own safe spaces to discuss their interests, without every third post being “haha, yur dum!”.
If you really don’t like the way your current instance is being run, then spin up your own and follow your own rules. Maybe you’re right and that’s what everyone really wants. And maybe not, and you’ll quickly find yourself a community of one. But, let’s drop the talk of “legally protected” when this sort of thing has nothing to do with the laws of any country.
Countries have laws both protecting people who host content provided by third parties and imposing certain responsibilities on them when they become aware of illegal content hosted on their servers. Some of them, like Germany’s NetzDG impose specific procedures for reporting (though no Lemmy server is large enough for NetzDG to apply). US laws about child pornography, for example are very specific about removal and reporting requirements, come with a risk of prison, and can include things that are legal other places such as cartoon drawings.
Laws don’t need to specifically address whether the content arrived via a federation mechanism or a user uploading it directly, only what a server owner must do once they’re aware of illegal content on their server.
In the decentralized network of the fediverse where freedom of association is king, you’re free to start your own instance that will federate with everybody. Of course, the other admins are as free as you are and may decide to not federate with you. Such is that degree of freedom.
You might want to reformat the post and put a question up top :)
I think we are going to see some re-federation on a case by case basis
I’ve also seen people mention a “block by default” list on each instance, where some instances are “blocked by default” for new users, but people can remove them from the block list after a warning. There could also be a toggle to enable whatever the instance has set by default, so that admins can add new instances to that list and users don’t need to do anything.
That way we don’t need to discuss as much for the stuff that is annoying, but not necessarily bad (ex. bot instances, NSFW instances, etc.).
It doesn’t exist yet, but that could be a future feature to work on
They were blocked for good reasons, I say keep them that way.
What do yall think about that?
Instances can (and should) block whatever other instances they want, based on whatever reason they can come up with. If your instance blocks an instance you want to use, either switch to another instance or host your own.
yeah, though lemmy.ml afaik (haven’t manually checked recently) only blocks porn, spam or really messed up instances, which is fine with me.
Major mention, ani.social - here’s a link to the relevant discussion and the outcome, from ani.social’s PoV.
