• @[email protected]
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    Love how rock climbing has some of the safest, most thoroughly tested gear in sports, but it always looks dangerous and that attacts all the “these guys are all idiots”, “darwin award” and “i would probably die” people.

    • NaibofTabr
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      626 months ago

      There’s no good reason to do what these guys are doing, it’s thrill seeking pursued by the kind of people that associate risky behavior with meaningful life experiences.

        • NaibofTabr
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          56 months ago

          Sure, but a lot of the things we do for fun do not involve the kind of risks that require a search and rescue team to pull you out of when you fuck up (or the wind just happens to blow a little harder than you expected that night).

          The risk/reward calculation for this scenario is way off.

          • @[email protected]
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            You keep pretending to be great at assessing risks from your armchair but forget that these two guys are professionals, and you know nothing about rock climbing or this particular situation, you haven’t provided a singke reason why what they are doing is risky, or stupid. Anchors not bomber proof enough? Not enough redundancy? Too much slack? What is the problem exactly?

            Yet you feel entitled to judge them. These are probably the guys that come and rescue you, when you do something stupid in the outdoors, not the other way around.

        • NaibofTabr
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          56 months ago

          I suppose the search and rescue team that has to pull them out of wherever will also be having fun (if not this climb then a future one).

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            This has always been a weird take, what do you think attracts people to that kind of SAR work? Generally a love for the outdoors and activities like this. You’ll have a hard time finding someone capable of high angle rescue that doesn’t enjoy or understand climbing as a sport.

        • NaibofTabr
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          306 months ago

          I am capable of… risk assessment.

          Being an adrenaline junkie won’t teach you anything about yourself that you couldn’t learn otherwise. It can be a great distraction from actual self-discovery.

          • @[email protected]
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            You think ypu are but you are probably not familiar with the sport and the gear. In terms of risk assessment IMO the riskiest part in lthis pic is they are not wearing a helmet!

            Rock climbing really has little to do with adrenaline chasing and rock climbers are among the chilliest folks out there. Really all the people in this thread comparing it to base jumping or other crazy things should visit their local climbing gym and have an introductory session, give it a try its awesome.

            These folks resting (presumably preparing to overnight?) On a ledge is not something you’d do as a beginner.

            • @[email protected]
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              136 months ago

              Yeah the last thing you want when climbing is an adrenaline rush. It’s slow, methodical concentration, plus flexibility, conditioning and endurance that make a good climber.

              I’m tall and lanky, and had a decent amount of natural talent, but was never flexible enough to get past intermediate climbs. Now I have too much arthritis to get back into it.

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              You think ypu are but you are probably not familiar with the sport and the gear.

              Well no, I’m not on any technical level. But when you’re doing something like this, you plan your route, right? Stopping here for the night seems like poor planning to me.

              It’s not the gear or the sport that I’m critical of, it’s the decision making that put them sleeping on this ledge. With all the right gear and experience, it seems like they could’ve done… anything else.

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                I hate getting into these discussions.

                This is Arnaud Petit and Stéphanie Bodet, two professional climbers with far more experience than you. They are doing the second ascent of a 900 meter 8a on Angel Falls (Rainbow Jambaia, 31 pitches) which is about the same height as El Capitan in Yosemite National Park. Here is a story about it. You almost never plan to climb routes this long in a single day, especially not on the second ascent. They most definitely planned to sleep on the wall and brought the proper equipment. This is called big wall climbing

                Just be happy for people doing what they love and do what you love: your life will be better. We’re all motivated by different things.

                • @[email protected]
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                  76 months ago

                  Incredible story from incredible athletes. It’s a feat to do that and, would you look at that, it doesn’t diminish anyone else’s goals or aspirations either.

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                  16 months ago

                  I hate getting into these discussions

                  gets into the discussion

                  with far more experience than you.

                  Yup, pretty sure I said that already… in the post you replied to… not sure why you’re throwing it out like you think it detracts from what I said.

                  You almost never plan to climb routes this long in a single day

                  That makes sense, I’m sure it’s too far to go without a decent rest. But if there’s no safer option for a place to sleep, then why go this route at all?

                  They most definitely planned to sleep on the wall

                  Yes, that’s my point. They planned to do this on purpose. I’m critical of the decision making.

                  This is called big wall climbing

                  OK, great, there’s a term for it… that hardly makes it a safe or sane thing to do.

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            Nobody’s life is in any real danger here. They and all their equipment are roped in on at least 3 redundant anchors (probably a number more). Rock climbing looks scary but with proper precautions and training it is not significantly riskier than other outdoor sports.

            The level of ignorance from these commenters who know nothing of the sport but speak with such authority on it really reminds me of the worst of reddit.

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    Yeah, I think I’ll just . . . not do that.

    I mean I could, definitely, but I just don’t really feel like doing it.

    • @[email protected]
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      just gandering at the pic it looks like a crack route and you would most definitely not be doing that. a lot of strength, endurance, and technique for that.

  • @[email protected]
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    All the people in this thread acting like this is safe and reasonable. “It’s okay because they still are wearing their harnesses”. Okay… lol

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      proprioceptive input

      You should read about it. It’s quite interesting but it doesn’t make this any less dangerous but it does make scenarios like this more interesting because the human brain and body are incredible. Not everyone has the best proprioceptive input.

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      I don’t think I’d be able to sleep. I toss and turn so much I doubt I’d be able to stay on the ledge.

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        I think you’d subconsciously stop doing that. You do get larger platforms that double as tents. But whatever you take up, you have to climb up with, so the simpler, the better. My concern would be getting cold.

        Ah, I see it’s actually a ledge and not one of those wall bed things (<– the technical term for them)

      • @[email protected]
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        I’m a rock climber and it just seems really cool, also I’m sure it’s some cool multi pitch climbing involved

  • FunkyMonk
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    I always just want to know seeing this how many have died hotelling cliffside.

    • @Steak
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      Probably not many it’s pretty safe if you’re tied in.

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            36 months ago

            Does a climbing harness provide more support if you are suspended in it? Or less?

            • @Steak
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              I would say less. But you can spend hours sitting in it if need be. It’s not always comfy but it’s doable.

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          Totally different type of harness. Not applicable at all.

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            OK, this is a workplace safety notice so of course it’s focused on a work harness. Is a climbing harness more extensive? Does it offer more support if you end up suspended in it?

            If not then the risk of suspension trauma is higher than in a work harness.

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              Holy shit you know absolutely nothing. I’ve been rock climbing for more than a decade. You can sit in a climbing harness for hours and hours. It’s not the most comfortable thing. But I’ve spent multiple hours sitting in harness’s countless times in my life. I can’t believe I’m even having this conversation with someone who knows absolutely nothing about what they are talking about.

              For the sake of this photo they are tied into ropes coming up from below but they also have an anchor point above in the background and most likely a point directly on the ledge they are on. They will be tied into very short dynamic ropes for the majority of their time up there making it very difficult to fall more than a couple feet.

              • lad
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                Well, I’d say it is something to expect: someone without experience is trying to understand, most likely in good faith. If anything, thank you for sharing your experience, I’d say it wasn’t necessary to rant this much but at least you did give an educational reply, thank you for that

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              Climbing harnesses are usually sitting harnesses that are more padded around the legs and back than work harnesses are.

              The bigger thing, though, is that suspension trauma typically happens when you’re purely hanging. The amount of time you can hang in a void in a work harness is way, way shorter than the amount of time you can bounce off a wall in a work harness, particularly if you’re able to support much of your weight with your feet.

              For climbers, the main worry would be hanging around if you’re somehow incapacitated from a heart attack or having been knocked out somehow, because workers are a lot more likely to be suspended over a void than climbers.

            • @[email protected]
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              That’s like arguing a condom is less effective at preventing pregnancy than a trash bag, because the condom isn’t as big.

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                No, not really… the suspension trauma happens because the harness straps squeeze your arteries shut, blocking the bloodflow and causing stagnation. If the harness has fewer and/or thinner support straps then you will have the same body weight spread across fewer/smaller points, increasing the pressure and making the problem worse. Blood becomes hypoxic really quickly if it can’t move.

                I’ve given safety awareness training and first aid response training on this topic (for work, not for recreation).

  • @[email protected]
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    Yeah, but would you do it IF YOU COULDN’T TELL ANYBODY?

    In the words of dead Descartes: “I think not.”