I find it ironic on a free speech platform that access to a community about censorship is censored https://exploding-heads.com/c/censorship
What exactly is wrong with this instance to be defederated? In browsing it, I see nothing hateful
Or did they defederate from this instance, so you cant view/post on it. Not sure if I completely understand how that works yet
The Lemmy software is intended to be somewhat censorship resistant, but that does not mean that lemmy.ml is a “free speech platform”.
Like most instances, lemmy.ml has rules (they’re in the sidebar on the front page) and we regularly delete posts and comments which violate them.
That instance you’re talking about is intended to be a “free speech platform”, which in modern internet parlance is a synonym for “nazi bar”. One of the two admins of that instance says explicitly: “racism, bigotry, sexism is allowed".
Most Lemmy users don’t want to see that kind of content, so, most Lemmy instances have defederated them.
I hope this answers your question!
So essentially it’s highly censored to defederate them. Not only you can’t view them using a different instance and post, but registering there, you can only interact with their instance. Lemmy needs a better method. I was thinking about this the other day, why is something as simple as blocking content on the users end or blocking x type of content not an option, even on registration. Even if there’s hate speech mixed in, freedom of speech should exist, but freedom to not hear it, should also exist. Essentially shadow banning, but done by choice of those who don’t want to hear said content.
I really don’t think Lemmy will survive as everyone will be afraid of getting cancelled and defederated.
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Ah yes, when one can’t rationally discuss, personal attacks
An environment where anyone can spin up an instance where they control member accounts and then post on other instances with impunity would obviously be an unusable hellscape of griefing and abuse. The only, ONLY, ONLY way a community can survive in these conditions is if they have power to censor the content that they syndicate. Indeed, that is the whole point of community groups vs just consuming raw Internet; the content has been curated (aka censored) according to some set of rules.
There are pure P2P networks that function the way you want. Go take a look and discover why no one is there.
Freenet still seems to be around. As I posted in my other comment here, I think Lemmy needs a client side censorship instead, giving users the option to hide what they don’t want. Eventually this will become a mess of instances doing anything to prevent getting canceled, thus increasing censorship.
Users and what they want are not important. Honestly. They are not. Even a little bit. You are so used to being “the customer” and having smoke blown up your ass, you can’t wrap your head around your actual role here in the fediverse as an unpaying user, taking advantage of services that private individuals are providing to you out of their own pocket.
When someone posts child porn to Lemmy, the users don’t get their door kicked down, your friendly neighborhood sysops do. When someone DDOSes the site, users don’t get the bills for overages, sysops do. Users “want” or “don’t want” to see certain content, but sysops bear the actual real world consequences for that content. The desires of users are inconsequential compared to the needs of sysops. If you are not happy with the editorial decisions your sysop has made, if you want to have your own node that allows everyone to send you any illegal thing they want, you have that option.
I was on freenet again about six months ago. It has some cool stuff like a distributed social network with about ten active users. Knock yourself out.
You are all over the place. Users are exactly what makes this all run. Free speech is different from illegal content.
But yeah, that first line there, why should I even bother contributing if that’s the attitude?
Free speech allows you to stand in public and speak your mind. It does NOT allow you to use MY property to speak your mind. “Free speech” has no place in this discussion because we are not even fucking talking about interactions with the state.
Several people have given you consistent explanations but you just brush them off because they are not compatible with your brainwashed ideological expectations. Apparently there is no end to your naivete and entitlement. I’m done trying to give you a clue. Figure it out yourself, kid.
I’m new here myself but as I understand it, defederation essentially separates that instance from the rest of the “lemmy-verse” by not allowing users created on that instance to interact and post to other lemmy instances.
You can still go to exploding heads and create a user there to post within that space. That user just won’t be able to interact with other lemmy instances that don’t federate to it. Maybe it’s less censorship and more of a refusal to associate with certain content.
Someone more knowledgeable please feel free to correct any errors, lol.
I tried going to infosec.pub/c/[email protected] and it was empty except one post. shortly after I posted this it looked like their whole instance went offline though. something is glitching, sometimes I can see all the posts when reloading, but usually not
Additionally, since your account is lemmy.ml , you need to creating an account on exploding heads to interact and post new content to that censorship community ( I THINK ), since they no longer federate.
I’m on infosec.pub because I couldn’t get registration working anywhere. I really don’t think Lemmy will survive because of how convoluted it is.
I don’t want to have to maintain multiple accounts or figure out how to get to the exploding heads url. A normal user just wants one account to “just work”.
Hell, I can never even remember my own instances url
See my other post in this thread https://infosec.pub/comment/488302
Seeing the linking url I’m even more confused to this, I thought I posted on [email protected], so everything I post really is tied to my origin instance
