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    These people don’t even read their own literature. The Catholic church’s ban on alchemy is about falsely claiming something is a valuable metal in order to pay for debts. It has nothing to do with the occult – the ban was because it’s a sin to lie / cheat / steal. A saint is even on record saying that alchemical gold is ok if the end if product is real gold.

    With that context, of course God doesn’t give a shit if you use SQLAlchemy as long as you aren’t using it to defraud people. If you were defrauding people, it wouldn’t matter what tool you used.

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      I’m shocked that a person who thinks the name of a piece of software can harm them doesn’t understand their own religion.

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        I mean, these are the same people who won’t watch Big Bang Theory because the title is heretical, or believe that playing Magic the Gathering or Pokemon TCG are literally summoning demons and spirits into the world, or who believe that playing D&D is doing the same. Rationality is not exactly their strong suit.

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      Now of course one could make some damning argument about the state of the tech industry in practice, resulting in one of those bell curve memes with “using SQLalchemy is a sin” on both far sides and “noooo it’s just a name it’s fine there’s no fraud involved” in the middle

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      If you were defrauding people, it wouldn’t matter what tool you used.

      Stays silent while coding the JezuzLovezU worm…

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    I don’t see how the term “Alchemy” is any different than “Transubstantiation”, and the Catholic Church seems pretty down with that.

    Imagine living your entire life with this kind of fear. Religion does crazy things to people’s minds.

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      They celebrate christmas, a pagan tradition they literally stole, the whole thing is fucking clownshoes

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      My favorite thing about the “easter egg” he specifically mentions is that Alembics are still used in chemistry to this day. They are just a way to condense vaporized gasses and collect them.

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    The user shouldn’t code in Python. That’s a fucking serpent. It caused Eve to eat the apple. Original sin. Holy shit, the most popular coding language is from the fucking devil! Mask off, mind blown, what the eff.

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        TL;DR The fruit of the tree of knowledge being a literal apple is non-canon, being entirely based on a pun.

        The word “apple” is not used in the Bible, that is, unless the Bible in question is a translation that specifically uses that word. Even then, see below.

        The whole apple thing comes from:

        1. the fact that the word for “apple” can be used as a synonym for “(any) fruit” in some languages and context, and so could mean any fruit.

        Think about French pomme de terre for “potato” which is literally “apple (meaning ‘fruit’) of the earth”. Dutch has aardappel (earth apple) which is the same thing. Fun fact: Old English eorþæppel (earth apple) allegedly meant “cucumber”. Go figure. But I digress.

        1. Latin is the main ecclesiastical language for one particularly influential branch of Christianity and one word for apple in Latin is “malus”. That sounds like a lot of unrelated Latin words that start “mal-” that mean bad or evil, thus an apparent connection to the fruit of the tree of knowledge also leading to evil.

        (I mean, it might actually be a proto-apple of some sort (modern apples did not exist 7000 years ago or whenever it was supposed to be) but the Bible doesn’t specify.

        Some scholars think that the whole thing developed out of metaphor for abandoning a hunter-gatherer lifestyle for farming. Others think that it might be a reference to beer / alcohol, which is one of the first things humans got interested in after farming.)

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          Latin also used apple as a stand-in for generic fruit, cf. malum persicum (“Persian apple”) meaning peach.

          And, fun fact, the English word “pineapple” was originally synonymous with “pinecone” (i.e. the fruit of the pine tree).

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        I mean, that Apple logo has a bite out of it. Eve’s bite! And it ships with Python!

        Someone call the Inquisition!

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        I was genuinely taught by my churh not to use apple products for this exact reason. The youth leaders went on a whole tangent about the symbolism. They thought Apple, the company, was trying to trick us all into satanism.

        It was a little bit like that video of the lady preaching about Monster energy drinks. Oh, and you better believe they showed us all that video unironically.

        But c’mon, at least Monster is supposed to be edgy. Apple is literally just an apple. Insanity, I tell you

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          Well I’m pretty sure that is the symbolism they were using, and either implying it gives your freedom or knowledge, I assume the former. It’s a pretty good symbol if you agree that eating the theoretical apple is actually a good thing.

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            That’s a cool way to look at it! I got curious so I looked it up, and I found an interview with the guy who designed the logo, and he said it’s a myth.

            Of course, I’ll add that there might be more to the story than that. IIRC the name was chosen before the logo, so this doesn’t rule out that the name itself was a reference to the bible story. Also, if it was, I kinda doubt that Apple would openly confirm it now, knowing it could cause them to lose some of their customers. 🤷

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              Isn’t the story, nobody came up with a good name for the company and Steve Jobs said you have x days to come up with a name I like, or I just call it Apple? And they didn’t?

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      Snakes are inherently evil! Don’t even LOOK at one or breathe an oxygen atom that’s ever touched the tongue of a snake!

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    This is the kind of person who would stick to IDE (with master and slave disks ofc) because S-ATA is only an N away from eternal damnation

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      What I heard was that they can have cold but not hot caffeine. Does that mean they can use Java only on well cooled computers? Or does java refer to a specific kind of coffee (that is not cold)? Well apparently Java is an island in Indonesia where Java coffee is grown. That would mean that Java could be cold brew and that they can so long as their computer is cool enough for it not to be considered hot. The exact definition of hot is tricky, though cold brew is typically served at refrigerated temperatures which would mean the computer would need sub-ambient cooling.

      Tldr: they need a computer with sub-ambient cooling.

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    I just skimmed this but shouldn’t people who are unable/ubwilling to live in the modern world be true to themselves and also not code in some demonic language?

    Just skip it and piss off dear catholic

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        Even the real daemons are just spirits it’s the Christians who literally demonized them.

        The idiocy goes back more than a millenium.

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            it’s easier to find obvious faults when something is held close for examination. Shoving this one in our faces has given us greater opportunity for close study. Other brands of hokum may include an actual space ship to rocket the most a faithful away or a con man who this one final time miraculously went straight, rituals with one rolled pant-leg, or alien spirits living in volcanoes. But we don’t talk about them so much as they keep their weirdness in the shadows.

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            No not really, Christianity is full of contradictions that cannot be reconciled and has a hard line book they must follow (filled with said contradictions). Paganism, as a belief structure, was essentially buried so individuals are working of off their own ideas that can be as varied as the practitioners (afaik, I’m not a neo pagan). Christianity isn’t bad because you have to believe on something, no matter what the reddit atheist will tell you, it’s bad because of what you have to believe.

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        I had a crazy Catholic prepper neighbor way back in '99 (she was the hipster of preppers, one of the things she railed about was all the people prepping just for y2k when she had already been doing it for years, but that’s another story) and one of her things was how evil bill gates was- so I told her Linux was evil-er because of the daemons. Gave her a lot to think about.

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        Does that command refer to the His Dark Materials thing? I thought regular demons were spelt without the a, but maybe it’s an old spelling.

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          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing)

          The term was coined by the programmers at MIT’s Project MAC. According to Fernando J. Corbató, who worked on Project MAC in 1963, his team was the first to use the term daemon, inspired by Maxwell’s demon, an imaginary agent in physics and thermodynamics that helped to sort molecules, stating, “We fancifully began to use the word daemon to describe background processes that worked tirelessly to perform system chores”.[2] Unix systems inherited this terminology. Maxwell’s demon is consistent with Greek mythology’s interpretation of a daemon as a supernatural being working in the background.

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    It must be exhausting to go through life saddled with so much mental bullshit.

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      That’s taking the LORD’s name in vain which, according to Catholicism, is considered blasphemy which is literally THE single worst type of sin you can commit. See you in the 9th circle!

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        is it? I checked the dictionary and it doesn’t seem like they’re doing anything in vain. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vain

        1. having or showing undue or excessive pride in one’s appearance or achievements : conceited

        it’s literally the opposite of pride. they’re using his name to hide something they’re ashamed of

        1. marked by futility or ineffectualness : unsuccessful, useless vain efforts to escape

        also the opposite, they’re trying to use his name in an effective manner to solve a problem

        1. having no real value : idle, worthless vain pretensions

        same as the previous, it would have a worth to them

        1. archaic : foolish, silly

        again, they’re using it for schoolwork, which is educated, not foolish

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          Not religious nor an expert on this, but as far as I know:

          “Taking the Lord’s Name in Vain” is the technical term in Christianity for using words that refer to God/Jesus in any context that isn’t directly referring to them, which is considered a form of blasphemy. The majority of Christians, Catholics especially, believe that even expressions like “oh my god!” or exclaiming “Jesus!” when surprised constitute taking the Lord’s name in vain, or as is what is happening here, where you use Jesus for something unrelated to him. And the bible does make it very clear that blasphemy is worse than literally any other sin.

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            I think there are more rules, too. I think you’re not allowed to swear (wherever that comes from). And there are restrictions/superstitions(?) put on other names. I don’t think christians speak out Satan / Beelzebub. Probably because calling their name conjures a deamon or people said names have some power to them.

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    Alchemy isn’t even a strictly occult thing. It was something done in the medieval era that was basically a very early form of science before most of the things they were trying to do were considered impossible

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      I mean alchemy is an occult practice. It’s just history only pays attention to the physical aspects (turning things into gold, etc). Often times the medium to turn a substance into gold is called the philosophers stone

      But this is only a portion of it. The philosophers stone in alchemy is actually spiritual enlightenment or becoming one with everything. Hence the concept of turning anything into gold, gold being enlightenment and the universe and the plain material before the transformation is preenlightened individuals. They all become the same (one, gold) after attaining it.

      Most alchemical philosophy is occult/spiritual and the chemistry aspects are a metaphor for the evolution of the soul.

      I think because modernity is mostly materialist in its philosophy that we ignore the underlying spirituality associated with alchemy