Yeah, July 1st will be interesting. The important thing is that the various alternatives have gotten seeded with users who are contributing enough content to make them viable. That means that when the 1st hits users will have viable places to go.
Honestly, when I first got to Beehaw a couple weeks ago it was pretty sparse and 10 comments in a thread was a lot. Now 10 comments is thin and the low hundreds are becoming the norm. It’s growing and snowballing.
I do miss some of the silly quirky fun subs (r/HyruleEngineering I’m looking at you), but my normal usage needs have been met by a blend of Lemmy and Kbin (if Lemmy is having a rough day, I subscribed to the same communities on Kbin and can access from that side, or vice-versa).
Yeah that sub and a fair amount of other fairly niche ones have been sorely missed. I’m doubtful there will ever be a real replacement that gets the same level of engagement.
Smaller subs like zentangle, game and show specifics, as well as body and philosophy subs, specifically about aphantasia. A lot of just generally creative spaces. I’ve been able to mostly find suitable replacements for larger niche things like the Steam Controller and things within the last decade, but I was subbed to a lot of old things and lot of niche ones, small enough that it could potentially be transferred here but also small enough that it was already a desert, and many users did not understand Reddit since many were new to it. Navigating multiple accounts and instances and logins is not something I imagine them being good at.
Not to mention the existing content for those places, which has been my biggest loss because Google directs everything to reddit threads now. I made sure to set on libre reddit to give as little engagement as possible.
It’s pretty devastating, not the loss of Reddit but the loss of the resource. Jeroba satisfies my Boost for Reddit scrolling fix, but I’ve been missing the engaging informational content. I miss doing the research and being the commenter, I often was especially in the vaporents community and other things I’m confident in. I still do it here when I can of course, but again it’s been more about the subject matters and amount of content/users. Nothing to do with what’s going on here, we just need more time and some of us are rightfully grieving the loss of an old friend who got hooked on greeds green corphetamine.
In time it will be better! :) Both the feeling of loss and the growth of the communities here. I’m hopeful that in the not too far future we will have niche communities that existed elsewhere, just far too many right now for me are either empty (byproduct of multiple instances I believe) or actually created and just not yet being used.
The only reason I haven’t left left is because Apollo still works. That will cease in the next day and I will be done unless Google directs me to there for something I need.
Same for me. As long as opening Relay brings me to reddit, it’s hard to stop using it. But once that stops, or becomes ad ridden or whatever, there’s no way in hell I will install the official reddit app or anything like that, and I hate using a browser on mobile so not doing that either… So yeah. That’ll be it for me. So far Beehaw/lemmy is shaping up to replace it though.
I think this is just the leading edge unless folks are lining up to replace moderators in most communities.
Systems tend to fail slowly, and then all at once.
Most fediverse denizens have noticed how sane and measured the dialogue is, which is entirely a product of the audience who is here right now. But everyone’s got a threshold, whether Reddit loses everyone or not isn’t relevant if they couldn’t be profitable with all of us. There’s a death spiral coming, and if there’s anything left Reddit will have to functionally change.
Easiest to think of Reddit as a party grinding on too long and starting to get rowdier, and the bouncers just quit.
Most likely. API access is actually the preferential way of handling things because the alternative (scraping) requires more server resources.
If a company offers a free tier of their API (even if it’s insufficient) it is unlikely they’re friendly to scrapers.
Recently Reddit opened up devvit as a way for redditors to build approved internal bots but it didn’t seem like they intended to staff a team to build replacements any time soon
The free bots that were helpful (like remindmebot) will probably all die, whereas advertisers will pay for artificial chatgpt users to boost their own content.
I know that is a fun narrative, but I haven’t seen data to back that up unfortunately, it’s all been anecdotal evidence.
The companies who heavily track these metrics so they can recommend to their customers what platform to advertise on all seem to indicate that there is still plenty of regular human engagement happening.
The NSFW content seems to be the only part of the protest that has them recommending pausing ad spending.
“plunges” by a whole 10%, and primarily only during the initial 2 days. Has since mostly rebounded. That is disappointing.
Will see what happens July 1st of course when apps finally stop working.
Yeah, July 1st will be interesting. The important thing is that the various alternatives have gotten seeded with users who are contributing enough content to make them viable. That means that when the 1st hits users will have viable places to go.
Honestly, when I first got to Beehaw a couple weeks ago it was pretty sparse and 10 comments in a thread was a lot. Now 10 comments is thin and the low hundreds are becoming the norm. It’s growing and snowballing.
Oh without a doubt.
I do miss some of the silly quirky fun subs (r/HyruleEngineering I’m looking at you), but my normal usage needs have been met by a blend of Lemmy and Kbin (if Lemmy is having a rough day, I subscribed to the same communities on Kbin and can access from that side, or vice-versa).
Yeah that sub and a fair amount of other fairly niche ones have been sorely missed. I’m doubtful there will ever be a real replacement that gets the same level of engagement.
Smaller subs like zentangle, game and show specifics, as well as body and philosophy subs, specifically about aphantasia. A lot of just generally creative spaces. I’ve been able to mostly find suitable replacements for larger niche things like the Steam Controller and things within the last decade, but I was subbed to a lot of old things and lot of niche ones, small enough that it could potentially be transferred here but also small enough that it was already a desert, and many users did not understand Reddit since many were new to it. Navigating multiple accounts and instances and logins is not something I imagine them being good at.
Not to mention the existing content for those places, which has been my biggest loss because Google directs everything to reddit threads now. I made sure to set on libre reddit to give as little engagement as possible.
It’s pretty devastating, not the loss of Reddit but the loss of the resource. Jeroba satisfies my Boost for Reddit scrolling fix, but I’ve been missing the engaging informational content. I miss doing the research and being the commenter, I often was especially in the vaporents community and other things I’m confident in. I still do it here when I can of course, but again it’s been more about the subject matters and amount of content/users. Nothing to do with what’s going on here, we just need more time and some of us are rightfully grieving the loss of an old friend who got hooked on greeds green corphetamine.
In time it will be better! :) Both the feeling of loss and the growth of the communities here. I’m hopeful that in the not too far future we will have niche communities that existed elsewhere, just far too many right now for me are either empty (byproduct of multiple instances I believe) or actually created and just not yet being used.
Have you checked out lemmy.beyondcombustion.net?
The only reason I haven’t left left is because Apollo still works. That will cease in the next day and I will be done unless Google directs me to there for something I need.
Same for me. As long as opening Relay brings me to reddit, it’s hard to stop using it. But once that stops, or becomes ad ridden or whatever, there’s no way in hell I will install the official reddit app or anything like that, and I hate using a browser on mobile so not doing that either… So yeah. That’ll be it for me. So far Beehaw/lemmy is shaping up to replace it though.
I think this is just the leading edge unless folks are lining up to replace moderators in most communities.
Systems tend to fail slowly, and then all at once.
Most fediverse denizens have noticed how sane and measured the dialogue is, which is entirely a product of the audience who is here right now. But everyone’s got a threshold, whether Reddit loses everyone or not isn’t relevant if they couldn’t be profitable with all of us. There’s a death spiral coming, and if there’s anything left Reddit will have to functionally change.
Easiest to think of Reddit as a party grinding on too long and starting to get rowdier, and the bouncers just quit.
but 10% is 60+% of actual human engagement. The rest are just bots talking to themselves and clicking ad links.
Will the bots dissapear when the API becomes inaccessible?
Most likely. API access is actually the preferential way of handling things because the alternative (scraping) requires more server resources.
If a company offers a free tier of their API (even if it’s insufficient) it is unlikely they’re friendly to scrapers.
Recently Reddit opened up devvit as a way for redditors to build approved internal bots but it didn’t seem like they intended to staff a team to build replacements any time soon
The free bots that were helpful (like remindmebot) will probably all die, whereas advertisers will pay for artificial chatgpt users to boost their own content.
And the front page is filled with trash from fringe subs.
I know that is a fun narrative, but I haven’t seen data to back that up unfortunately, it’s all been anecdotal evidence.
The companies who heavily track these metrics so they can recommend to their customers what platform to advertise on all seem to indicate that there is still plenty of regular human engagement happening.
The NSFW content seems to be the only part of the protest that has them recommending pausing ad spending.
Also worth noting is that traffic is not made equal. Often 10% of users generate almost all of the content that other users consume.
Reddit has driven away many of its content creators and moderators.