You can be autistic and good at something or not autistic and good at the same thing.
Let’s not erase the unique characteristics of autism. People with autism can often achieve a higher level of mastery or understanding than most people in a specific topic, or can do so with much less effort. I’m not saying there aren’t challenges, but there are definitely also benefits for some of us.
I stated quite clearly that you can be good at a thing without the difficulties that autism can present for some people. That does not detract from any benefit autism might bestow.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint ASD as some kind of desirable condition.
You’re basically saying that “I won the lottery, so everyone else should be fine playing it too”.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint ASD as some kind of desirable condition.
Because it’s not a curse, it’s just a cluster of personality traits. I certainly wouldn’t take a pill that would “cure” my autism if one was available to me. Sure some traits can make it harder to integrate into society, but some of them can also confer benefits which I’m asserting are not achievable without also being neurodivergent.
It sounds to me like what you’re arguing is that ND confers challenges but doesn’t confer any benefits that cannot also be achieved without being neurodivergent. I would disagree. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. If so, I apologize.
I don’t really think you’re reading what I’m saying. You have an incredibly narrow view of ASD that seems to revolve entirely around your more fortunate outcome. I mean, good for you, I’m glad it’s worked out for you and where you fall on the spectrum has conveyed more benefit than any negatives.
I will counter-argue that your position on ND implies it offers more benefits than challenges. I strongly disagree with this and refer back to the “lottery” comment. You won. There are plenty of losers. Don’t suggest it’s a game worth playing unless you can prove that everyone with ASD is a winner. I sincerely doubt you can.
I didn’t say automatically. I said it’s true for some of us. I fully acknowledge that some people with autism get absolutely shafted in terms of the cluster of personality traits and ND symptoms they develop. I’m just saying that the benefits of autism, such as they are, cannot be achieved by an NT brain. Whether or not that is “worth the cost” isn’t for me to say. It depends greatly on rolls of the biological dice.
You seem really angry about a pretty innocuous conversation on the internet. All I was saying is that there’s a bit more nuance here than was being suggested. I’m not saying either side of the argument is entirely wrong. Just sharing my personal experience.
Let’s not erase the unique characteristics of autism. People with autism can often achieve a higher level of mastery or understanding than most people in a specific topic, or can do so with much less effort. I’m not saying there aren’t challenges, but there are definitely also benefits for some of us.
I’m not erasing anything.
I stated quite clearly that you can be good at a thing without the difficulties that autism can present for some people. That does not detract from any benefit autism might bestow.
I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint ASD as some kind of desirable condition.
You’re basically saying that “I won the lottery, so everyone else should be fine playing it too”.
Because it’s not a curse, it’s just a cluster of personality traits. I certainly wouldn’t take a pill that would “cure” my autism if one was available to me. Sure some traits can make it harder to integrate into society, but some of them can also confer benefits which I’m asserting are not achievable without also being neurodivergent.
It sounds to me like what you’re arguing is that ND confers challenges but doesn’t confer any benefits that cannot also be achieved without being neurodivergent. I would disagree. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. If so, I apologize.
I don’t really think you’re reading what I’m saying. You have an incredibly narrow view of ASD that seems to revolve entirely around your more fortunate outcome. I mean, good for you, I’m glad it’s worked out for you and where you fall on the spectrum has conveyed more benefit than any negatives.
I will counter-argue that your position on ND implies it offers more benefits than challenges. I strongly disagree with this and refer back to the “lottery” comment. You won. There are plenty of losers. Don’t suggest it’s a game worth playing unless you can prove that everyone with ASD is a winner. I sincerely doubt you can.
I never claimed otherwise. I never claimed the benefits outweigh the challenges. It is absolutely a case-by-case thing.
But also, I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, as nobody really has a choice whether or not they “play the game”
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I didn’t say automatically. I said it’s true for some of us. I fully acknowledge that some people with autism get absolutely shafted in terms of the cluster of personality traits and ND symptoms they develop. I’m just saying that the benefits of autism, such as they are, cannot be achieved by an NT brain. Whether or not that is “worth the cost” isn’t for me to say. It depends greatly on rolls of the biological dice.
Yeah they can. I don’t know how the likeliness compares, but it’s well within the realm of possibility.
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You seem really angry about a pretty innocuous conversation on the internet. All I was saying is that there’s a bit more nuance here than was being suggested. I’m not saying either side of the argument is entirely wrong. Just sharing my personal experience.
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That’s sad, bro
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No, no, that’s not what I was talking about