• phoenixz
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    28 days ago

    No, this has nothing to do with the US.

    If I go to the US, I have to obey US law or go to jail. Similarly, if a US citizen goes to another country, they have to obey THEIR laws. If their laws say you go to jail when you break them, then what are you crying about?

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      28 days ago

      This is the only objective point to illustrate. Laws aren’t monolithic across countries. We wouldn’t have countries if they were.

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      28 days ago

      No one is saying they shouldnt have to follow the law because they are Americans. People are pointing out that this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous that someone would spend over a decade behind bars for making a dumb mistake. the law isn’t just regardless of what country it is. This is one of the times I have zero problem with the us throwing it’s weight around to protect it’s citizens around the world: to save them from ridiculous punishments for making a mistake.

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        28 days ago

        this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous

        Don’t crime, don’t do time. Isn’t that what conservatives love to tell everyone?

        SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, they have laws, you obey them or fuck off.

        Idiots chose to visit these countries, and chose not to clear their bags of sensitive items that are literally prohibited in those countries.

        they fucked around and are finding out.

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          28 days ago

          Don’t crime, don’t do time. Isn’t that what conservatives love to tell everyone?

          So do you say the same thing when some young black person goes to jail for a small amount of marijuana? I’m pretty liberal can see the injustice in both of these. I’m not sure why people have such a hard on for seeing these otherwise innocent people going to jail for a stupid mistake. It’s like being a conservative and cheering on black kids going to jail for possessing pot.

          Why do you want to see them in jail so badly? Have you asked yourself this?

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            28 days ago

            two points here:

            one: it’s not the same as the black kid; these people are electing to travel out of the country. that kid is living in his environment. when you leave our nation for another, you accept the rules of that nation will apply to you. if you don’t want that, DON’T SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TRAVEL THERE.

            A better question: if these travelers are such freedom loving gun enthusiasts, why don’t they patronize countries that invite their tourism? HUH.

            And two:

            Want to travel? You don’t get to bring your own rules.

            Try taking a small amount of marijuana to singapore.

            Do I agree with their laws? NO. Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No. I have better things to do with my life than languish in a jail or be executed for pot.

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              28 days ago

              Holy shit, you’re actually trying to argue that it’s unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.

              You’re very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don’t like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.

              Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No.

              Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn’t “attempt to find out” they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?

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                28 days ago

                You’re very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative

                lol put down the bong son… jfc, get over yourselves

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                  28 days ago

                  You’ve made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don’t like gun owners. I’m just holding the mirror up and you don’t like what you see.

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                    26 days ago

                    “Gun owner” is not an immutable attribute. Its not a skin colour. Comparing dislike of gun owners to racism is ridiculous.

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                    28 days ago

                    You’ve made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don’t like gun owners

                    oof, another swing and a miss. you’re so damned close tho kid… tell you what. I make a distinction. I actually have a ton of respect for many gun owners; unfortunately, too many are fucking idiots who don’t keep their weapons and ammo accounted for.

                    And I despise those fucks. They’re the idiots getting children killed, supplying criminals with weapons and pissing off our neighbor countries with petty bullshit like this.

                    What I’d like to see happen: responsible people keep their privileges - but what I’m certain is going to happen is that everyone is going to be punished because the fucking morons can’t stop leaving their pewpews in their fucking unlocked cars.

                    https://jalopnik.com/youve-got-to-stop-keeping-your-gun-in-your-car-1850929717

                    so… you do you sport, will probably block you so I don’t have to explain shit after this.

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        28 days ago

        Yeah say that again keeping in mind that the US regularly has killed civilians in the past, sometimes by mistake, sometimes as expected collateral. Sounds a bit hollow, then.

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          27 days ago

          Why do so many people think it’s a good argument to say that because the us does some bad shit, otherwise innocent people should spend a decade in prison for making a mistake? It’s makes zero sense.