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    as reported in Vietnam.net, it’s possible Steam has been taken down in Vietnam after local game developers complained about the scope and size of Steam’s vast portfolio of games, claiming Vietnamese devs cannot compete with Steam’s releases given they are subject to government approval and thousands of international games on Steam are not.

    Citing it as “an injustice to domestic publishers”, Vietnamese studios reportedly say that local game development “will die” if Steam is able to keep releasing games without the same government scrutiny as domestic games.

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        As a vietnamese American, my mom always told me stories about the shitty government. Most citizens in Vietnam know the laws are dumb too but can’t protest because the government is too strong now. Just know that EVERYTHING is regulated over there.

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            America literally fought a war to try and prevent that. The majority of the population of Vietnam fought to have this instead.

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              One has to wonder what they would have had if it had gone the other way… would they look more like the Philippines, perhaps, or Indonesia? A “strong man” in Saigon with CIA backing on steroids. Because a whole other kind of just as shitty is still just as shitty.

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                I think you’re misunderstanding what I said, US fought a war to stop it the spread of Lenin/Stalin styled authoritarian communism and failed. There never really was a chance for a proper democracy to rise up in such an improverished nation when both sides were going to exploit the hell out of poor workers without adding any significant value to the country or help prop up self sufficient industries.

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                Remind me again which side won and took over the country and which side fled.

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              That’s what Americans claim to save face. I’m a Vietnamese American and Asian history tends to suck in other nations. America used that narrative to justify invading another country and then dipping out when it was too hard.

              I’m still going to overgeneralize, but here’s the actual history they don’t teach you. (History is much more interesting outside of school).

              From the Vietnamese perspective, they initially didn’t want/need American help, but about HALF of Vietnam didn’t want communism. Similar to Korea, it was kinda like North vs South. America knew that Vietnam has potential to be another booming nation so they saw an opportunity to “help” Vietnam for profit and claim they’re fighting communism in the process. America doesn’t just “help” for the sake of good, we’re a nation of profit and greed.

              During this war, South Korea’s involvement and then eventual American alliance actually helped South Korea flourish from all this new money they were getting. When Nixon saw that Vietnam was a losing war, he pussied out and ended up moving on to help Korea since that was the next “profitable” nation; even helping in “fighting communism” during the Korean War. Vietnam took a huge L after Nixon pumped and pulled resources so he partially caused the loss, too. Looking back now, America made the “right” call on South Korea as it’s now both rich AND has good US relations.

              Most of the Vietnamese population today prefers a less communistic government but not much can be done. Government is just stupid powerful BECAUSE of communism in the first place. Like some long domino effect.

              TL:Dr America is a sneaky country and does things that only benefit them. They couldn’t benefit from Vietnam so they moved onto Korea in “I’m done playing with you” style.

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                If the majority of Vietnamese didn’t want communism, why didn’t the anti-communists win even without the US’s help? Your narrative is nonsense.

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                Geographically it was half the country, but population wise it was closer to 2/3rd pro communist vs 1/3rd anti communist. US involvement wasn’t really justified to start and mostly sunk cost fallacy with how they tried to support the French rule before France pulled out and US was holding the bag and a doctrinal choice of stopping the spread of communism even when there was little to nothing to gain and only save face. Vietnam was going to have a civil war no matter what but US definitely made it worse and drew out the conflict and ramped up the death toll with nothing to show for it. If the US had any intentions of taking advantage of Vietnam modernising and industrializing they’d have setup southern cities that were more friendly to US investments with trafe and infrastructure. But just like in Korea that wouldn’t happen for decades later, US presence there was entirely military and some very bare bones humanitarian aid.

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      7 months ago

      Sounds like the problem here is the “government scrutiny” not steam.

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        Ah yes so this is how NATO/WEF shilling works… destroy native development and make a country the host for western parasites to suck money.

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          Love how people like you have to bring in NATO into everything. As if it has anything to do with Vietnam banning Steam.

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            Love how people like you instantly come to NATO’s rescue, when Vietnam banning Steam should not ruffle the jimmies of westoids. Turns out, “government scrutiny” is bad when Vietnam wants to protect its native game developers, according to some people here. It is okay if Steam digests them.

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                What exactly do you think did “government scrutiny” mean by the above poster, an idea you seem to defend? It is meant to refer to the communist Vietnam government as authoritarian, because they refuse to let USA’s Steam destroy the indie game dev scene. NATO has everything to do with every single prominent USA or Europe based service or platform, which includes Steam. Steam spies on DNS cache of users for some mysterious reason too.

                What exactly do you think USA/NATO has not to do with Steam and colonising the game dev scenes around the world? It accomplishes western imperialist proxy colonisation.

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                  I don’t think you have the slightest clue about what NATO actually is.

                  Because they have nothing to do with Vietnam choosing to ban steam.

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                    If NATO countries benefit from laissez faire market crap, it kinda does. Vietnam must have thought quite well about the loss of western market, when protecting its game developers. Vietnam is not a country that hates globalisation, but it will take whatever necessary steps for protection.

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                  So if I publish a game on steam I am now a colonizer? If I am a Vietnamese citizen who downloads a game that hasn’t gone through “government scrutiny” am I now a collaborator? What if I am a Vietnamese game developer that has published directly to steam without giving a shit about whatever censorship my government is trying to implement? Should I be sent to reeducation?

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                    Yep, this is the mindset I was trying to describe. Thanks for making my point clear. I have seen you around too much with your anti-communist politics, so I can see through your arguments, like this one where you describe Vietnamese government in a particular manner just because they decided to protect their country’s game developers.

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            Did not know NAFO trolls existed on Lemmy. But then, some NATO/OTAN profile pic accounts exist, so no surprise.

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      Ooof. What a stupid take.

      There are indie studios whose lives have been changed because they focus on the international market.

      This small brain thinking will ensure they die.

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        The local devs were not trying to get steam banned. Hell they wanted steam but wanted to play by the same rules and pointed out how strict their own laws and requirements were.

        Vietnam govt said you’re right, it’s not fair and banned steam to make sure everyone plays by their rules rather than admit the rules were stupid and draconic.

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        It’s not immediately obvious to me that indie developers in Vietnam won’t be able to find an international publisher. While I don’t approve of the law, it does strike me as potentially having a positive effect on Vietnamese studios.

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          Given how it can be circumvented by fiddling with DNS according to the article, I doubt it’ll really do anything besides stoke negative sentiment towards Vietnamese studios. Besides, you can buy plenty of the games elsewhere, so even if it worked, all you’re accomplishing is making it slightly more annoying for gamers to buy what they want, rather than having it in one place.