• fosho
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    2 months ago

    once again, you’re making this into a voting issue when it isn’t one because neither party is interested in taking your preferred stance. naturally, withholding a vote because of this makes no sense especially when the stakes on other important issues are so high.

    I understand how strongly you feel about this issue. I agree with your feelings about it. I would love to see the Israeli govt get pulverised for what they are doing. and it is objectively atrocious in every way that they are supported.

    I can also use my brain to logically determine that refusing to vote dem is likely to put power into the hands of those who will do worse both on this specific issue and many others. voting for Biden might not make it better, but doing anything else will definitely make it worse. and that’s the brain dead choice.

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      The brain dead choice is allowing yourself to be literally without political agency. I have a list of things I care about, and there isn’t really anything higher than “not doing genocide”. I’m never going to change my mind about that, and I’m never going to listen to anyone who says “of course genocide is bad, but…”. Are you making your opposition to genocide known to your party leaders? Are you supporting efforts to get them to notice the significance of electorate opposition to genocide? Your efforts are better spent doing that kind of thing over the coming months, than arguing with me.

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        2 months ago

        which is the definition of ideological to a fault.

        you’re falsely equating voting dem for justifying genocide. they are not the same. one can be actively working against it and still vote blue, recognizing that any other action likely promotes genocide and more terrible things.

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          Ideological to a fault is losing an election because you just can’t stop supporting a genocidal state. If our only choices for leadership both support genocide, then we’ve already lost anything we might have needed to save. It’s not ideological, it is a low fucking bar.

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            2 months ago

            “I can’t get my way so everyone should suffer” comes across as a pretty crybaby take.

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              Fuckin hell. “Can’t get my way”?? We are talking about an actual goddam genocide and you are calling me a crybaby? I think you’re spineless and naive.

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                2 months ago

                let’s be absolutely clear here. the only argument you have is to say that Republicans will do less genocide. that’s it. because in any other case your extreme ideology only causes more.

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                  Let’s be clear here: you refuse to do anything to pressure an administration that is doing genocide right now. Your extreme ideology is causing genocide right now. Don’t blame me if Republicans win in the fall, blame yourself and your party who can’t even manage to stop causing genocide long enough to win an election.

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                    2 months ago

                    as a non American i have no party in your shit hole country.

                    are you incapable of thinking pragmatically? because it’s pretty clear you are letting your ideals cloud your judgement, unless you actually believe Republicans will help your cause. your pathetic political system has long been about choosing the lesser of 2 evils and frankly the fact that you refuse to accept this tells me everything I need to know. enjoy living in a fascist hellscape, with all those leopards eating your face.