Sure all privately-owned cars are problematic, but I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that small vehicles have the same impact as massive SUVs/trucks.
Bigger cars are not only more damaging in crashes with pedestrians/cyclists (which you’ve mentioned but seem to think is unimportant?!) but they also cause more accidents because of poor visibility and longer stopping distances. Also, environmentally-speaking, larger vehicles have a much bigger impact than small cars. Not only are they less fuel-efficient, they also cause more damage to roads leading to more frequent need for repairs.
I agree that ultimately reducing the total number of privately-owned vehicles should be the main goal, but we can also simultaneously strive for smaller cars for the vehicles that are on our roads.
I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that small vehicles have the same impact as massive SUVs/trucks.
I’m not saying its zero; I’m saying it’s a lot closer to negligible than people desperately wanting to scapegoat one type of car while clinging to their own would like to think. The only thing capable of significantly moving the needle is not switching from big cars to small cars, but switching from cars to not-cars.
Bigger cars are not only more damaging in crashes with pedestrians/cyclists (which you’ve mentioned but seem to think is unimportant?!) but they also cause more accidents because of poor visibility and longer stopping distances.
Having smaller cars with better visibility and shorter stopping distances could provide a minor improvement in crash frequency and severity. But if you want to get it to zero? Then you’ve got to redesign the streets to quit prioritizing cars over other road users (pedestrians/cyclists/transit riders). And you’ve got to make it so that those alternatives are actually viable and get used, which means zoning reform.
Also, environmentally-speaking, larger vehicles have a much bigger impact than small cars. Not only are they less fuel-efficient, they also cause more damage to roads leading to more frequent need for repairs.
The environmental difference between a big car and a small car is tiny compared to the difference between a car and a bicycle. We need to quit chipping around the edge of the problem quibbling about car size and attack it directly by providing alternatives to driving via (say it with me!) zoning reform.
Yeah fuck all cars, you’re definitely preaching to the choir there, but if we could get rid of them I’d start with the huge trucks and SUVs first. Your points all remain valid without equating all cars.
Like I truly wish everyone were vegan, but if someone’s gonna eat meat I’d rather they eat a chicken stir-fry than an EpicMealTime-type monstrosity.
Same with cars, I wish everyone would drop this inefficient, antisocial method of transportation, but I’d also rather someone drive a Prius than a Hummer.
While that seem ostensibly sensible it isn’t really useful, you can’t transition away from just large cars, you still won’t have the carless infrastructure in place anyway.
As to vegan, i find the entire thing worrisome, conflating say a poor Cambodian who eats a little chicken with his noddles with a vegan American is ridiculous. The americans refrigerator alone is more destructive then his chicken, veg and noodle dinner. The entire idea is to look holistically. If yoire a vegan with a large dog, for example, you’re going to eat more meat then I do with my little permeculture set up and the poultry I raise and eat.
you can’t transition away from just large cars, you still won’t have the carless infrastructure in place anyway
I don’t disagree with this, but that’s not the point I was trying to make. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, since your paragraph re:veganism addresses an entire other issue than the one I was trying to highlight.
Let me clarify: Vegans, like anti-car folks, are politically extreme compared to the mainstream views. As a vegan, in my ideal world no one would eat meat. Similarly, in my ideal world no one would drive cars. However, we don’t live in my ideal worlds (far from it).
I don’t condone eating meat, nor do I condone driving cars. But for most people, these are normal, everyday things and they get defensive if they feel attacked for doing them.
As an anti-car person, you probably have more in common ideologically with a Prius driver than a Hummer driver. Equating the Prius driver with the Hummer driver is, in my experience, more likely to generate a negative reaction in the Prius driver where they see you as an enemy, and the Hummer as an ally.
I’d rather create more anti-car sentiment than accidentally contribute to motor vehicle solidarity.
Sure all privately-owned cars are problematic, but I think it’s ridiculous to suggest that small vehicles have the same impact as massive SUVs/trucks.
Bigger cars are not only more damaging in crashes with pedestrians/cyclists (which you’ve mentioned but seem to think is unimportant?!) but they also cause more accidents because of poor visibility and longer stopping distances. Also, environmentally-speaking, larger vehicles have a much bigger impact than small cars. Not only are they less fuel-efficient, they also cause more damage to roads leading to more frequent need for repairs.
I agree that ultimately reducing the total number of privately-owned vehicles should be the main goal, but we can also simultaneously strive for smaller cars for the vehicles that are on our roads.
I’m not saying its zero; I’m saying it’s a lot closer to negligible than people desperately wanting to scapegoat one type of car while clinging to their own would like to think. The only thing capable of significantly moving the needle is not switching from big cars to small cars, but switching from cars to not-cars.
Having smaller cars with better visibility and shorter stopping distances could provide a minor improvement in crash frequency and severity. But if you want to get it to zero? Then you’ve got to redesign the streets to quit prioritizing cars over other road users (pedestrians/cyclists/transit riders). And you’ve got to make it so that those alternatives are actually viable and get used, which means zoning reform.
The environmental difference between a big car and a small car is tiny compared to the difference between a car and a bicycle. We need to quit chipping around the edge of the problem quibbling about car size and attack it directly by providing alternatives to driving via (say it with me!) zoning reform.
Yeah fuck all cars, you’re definitely preaching to the choir there, but if we could get rid of them I’d start with the huge trucks and SUVs first. Your points all remain valid without equating all cars.
Like I truly wish everyone were vegan, but if someone’s gonna eat meat I’d rather they eat a chicken stir-fry than an EpicMealTime-type monstrosity.
Same with cars, I wish everyone would drop this inefficient, antisocial method of transportation, but I’d also rather someone drive a Prius than a Hummer.
Here’s another comment I made that better explains why this kind of article is actually harmful
(You can tell it struck a nerve with the car-brains because of the downvotes, LOL)
While that seem ostensibly sensible it isn’t really useful, you can’t transition away from just large cars, you still won’t have the carless infrastructure in place anyway.
As to vegan, i find the entire thing worrisome, conflating say a poor Cambodian who eats a little chicken with his noddles with a vegan American is ridiculous. The americans refrigerator alone is more destructive then his chicken, veg and noodle dinner. The entire idea is to look holistically. If yoire a vegan with a large dog, for example, you’re going to eat more meat then I do with my little permeculture set up and the poultry I raise and eat.
I don’t disagree with this, but that’s not the point I was trying to make. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, since your paragraph re:veganism addresses an entire other issue than the one I was trying to highlight.
Let me clarify: Vegans, like anti-car folks, are politically extreme compared to the mainstream views. As a vegan, in my ideal world no one would eat meat. Similarly, in my ideal world no one would drive cars. However, we don’t live in my ideal worlds (far from it).
I don’t condone eating meat, nor do I condone driving cars. But for most people, these are normal, everyday things and they get defensive if they feel attacked for doing them.
As an anti-car person, you probably have more in common ideologically with a Prius driver than a Hummer driver. Equating the Prius driver with the Hummer driver is, in my experience, more likely to generate a negative reaction in the Prius driver where they see you as an enemy, and the Hummer as an ally.
I’d rather create more anti-car sentiment than accidentally contribute to motor vehicle solidarity.