• WamGams
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    Nahh, I would say 90% of us here will be voting for Biden.

    Will some be stupid enough to vote for a Bobby Kennedy? Maybe? But I suspect a vast minority.

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      Again, IF Biden starts a war with Iran. That makes him unelectable. Name a Democrat who can beat Trump.

      Otherwise, it’s Kennedy or Trump.

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          Same here, but if he does start a war he’s going to lose a lot of swing voters. A year ago I wouldn’t have thought trump would pose a significant threat in the election, but holy fuck biden is absolutely dropping the ball on Israel. This is his covid.

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            i remember when that was normal. It was also a time when the media would also hold people accountable for their bullshit (or at least try)

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            Hear, hear! If even just so we can have a backup candidate in case he drops dead of old age at the last minute.

            Fuck being polite about this. HE chose to run in his 80’s. We should be allowed to talk openly as a nation about a backup plan because he is at the end of his expected life span. Otherwise we are going to let another octogenarian fuck us over the way RBG did.

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        You think the conservatives won’t start a war with Iran?

        That makes both side “unelectable”. So you scratch that off for both sides and keep looking for other differences. Like separation of church and state and reproductive rights.

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          You think the conservatives won’t start a war with Iran?

          No one said they wouldn’t.

          Biden will lose enough votes to lose the election if he starts a war with Iran. No one here said they would be voting for Trump, just that Biden would lose votes.

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            When you don’t vote, you essentially give your vote to the person you want the least; that’s fundamental to FPTP. It doesn’t matter if you don’t directly vote for Trump in the current political system, what matters is you didn’t vote for Biden.

            You can try to change the voting system, but while you’re in it this is the way to play. Vote Biden in and protest the shit out of his day to day.

            First past the post explained (6:31)

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              And I didn’t say I’m not voting. I’m voting for Biden.

              I said Biden will lose votes if he starts a war with Iran. I did not say “Gee, I want another smug centrist to ignore what I’m saying and lecture me about shit I already know!”

              Centrists don’t listen.

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        I’m getting the impression you want Biden to start a war with Iran. Nobody legitimate is claiming that is on the table.

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          Why would I want Biden to start a war with Iran? Israel is about to ramp things up and his support is ironclad. The US joining an Israeli war against Iran is a legitimate concern.

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            Where are you getting reports that Israel is ramping up for direct war with Iran?

            Everything I have read has said neither side is approaching further escalation at this time. Perhaps you have intel that hasn’t made its way to open source yet?

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                You linked to an op-ed piece, not a journalist piece. Not your fault though. BBC needs to be a lot better at differentiating.

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                  I can’t link to classified intelligence to provide ironclad evidence. This isn’t the war thunder forums.

                  The risk of a wider war developing in the Middle East is a very real risk. The fact that you won’t acknowledge that shows you argue in bad faith.

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                    Of course its a real risk, I just think trying to spin it so that Biden is at fault before it happens is nakedly partisan.

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          I mean, except Iran… and Israel (and by proxy through Israel the US).

          Wars not just on the table, if it goes that way, the first strike will have been conducted by Israel (with US backing).

          Other countries aren’t delusional about the US’s relationship with Israel the way Biden apologists seem to be.

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            So you think Iran and Israel are going to draw Biden into a war so that he loses the election, and the left should react to this by… Voting for Kennedy?

            It is sad that a lot of leftists here sound indistinguishable from Steve Bannon in their geopolitical goals.

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              Your tired argument is costing us the election. We haven’t even had a convention yet. We can nominate someone else other than Biden.

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                And when Biden wins reelection, what then? Do you post here admitting you were wrong?

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                  At this point its becoming a question of beating Trump or supporting Biden.

                  Its seeming more and more like you’ll have to pick.

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                    Well I mean, the majority of polls show Biden beating Trump. Not a single poll shows Kennedy beating Trump or Biden.

                    Forgive my saying, but it’s clear to absolutely everybody without an agenda that you don’t know the first thing of what you are talking about.