I would suggest that narcissists and borderlines are vulnerable minorities solely because they almost always refuse treatment until it is no longer their legal choice to do so.
An adult with untreated narcissism is almost certainly going to be the least vulnerable person in all of their chosen relationships at any time.
No, that’s a harmful stereotype based in no kind of scientific inquiry.
Consider the fact that NPD and BPD are caused by child abuse. Isn’t it common knowledge that abused people are more likely to be abused in the future? Abusing a child doesn’t turn them into a superior, less vulnerable ubermensch. It turns them into someone who falls apart and cries because they tried to learn the violin and weren’t immediately great at it. After all, psychologists are doctors, and a doctor’s job is to help people who are suffering. Doctors don’t deal in morality, and they don’t label people for hurting others. What you’re thinking of is philosophers and priests, not doctors. Doctors are interested in helping the patient suffer less, not in imposing morality. This idea that a mental disorder is when you hurt other people is really bizarre. That’s not how medicine works at all.
Also treating someone as a threat their whole life is oppression. As any black man who’s been stopped in traffic by the police can tell you. Here you go treating people as a threat because of a mental disorder, the outcome is obvious.
We can recognize that somebody was a victim as a child, and recognize that may be the reason they are a danger today, but if they are untreated, and if you personally aren’t a doctor, you are likelier to be their victim than the other way around.
Something very strange just happened. I gave a long comment with three different reasons why pwNPD are vulnerable and aren’t abusers, and I elaborated on each of them. But then you just restated your belief, without including any arguments or sources. You didn’t even try to discredit my arguments. If you can’t give any reasons people should believe pwNPD are abusers, I think one could be forgiven for thinking there’s no good reason to believe your statement.
Well, that’s news to me. But I did already know that Elon Musk has autism and Donald Trump has obesity. Now if you were to say autistic people are abusers, or obese people are abusers, and offer up those two as proof, I’d laugh at you. Thus I feel obliged to laugh at you now for saying that one abuser being mentally ill proves mentally ill people are abusers.
A personality disorder is not the same as a personality trait. A personality disorder is a disturbance in normal personality functioning, but it doesn’t lock you into having one personality. People with NPD have a great variation in individual personality traits. A personality disorder diagnosis is determined on the basis of fitting a list of criteria, it’s not a judgement of someone’s entire personality.
Additionally, the article you linked says one of the leading indicators of criminal behaviour is “psychopathy”. Psychopathy is not a personality trait, nor is it even a recognised psychological term. Although I’m short on time, I have serious doubts about that review’s impartiality and proper use of the scientific method.
Finally, discriminating against people because a statistical model says they’re more likely to commit crimes is some Minority Report bullshit, and it’s also exactly how police treat black people. Profiling is wrong.
Nothing strange happened. You attempted sophistry in defense of a person who chooses right wing demagoguery which people may correctly or incorrectly diagnose as a consequence of having a personality disorder and you did so knowing full well we are in a climate where people are tired of right demagoguery. If, as you say, you are interested in scientific veracity and focus on dispassionate reasoned discussion how can you also not understand that sticking your dick in a live toaster will get you burned?
I would suggest that narcissists and borderlines are vulnerable minorities solely because they almost always refuse treatment until it is no longer their legal choice to do so.
An adult with untreated narcissism is almost certainly going to be the least vulnerable person in all of their chosen relationships at any time.
No, that’s a harmful stereotype based in no kind of scientific inquiry.
Consider the fact that NPD and BPD are caused by child abuse. Isn’t it common knowledge that abused people are more likely to be abused in the future? Abusing a child doesn’t turn them into a superior, less vulnerable ubermensch. It turns them into someone who falls apart and cries because they tried to learn the violin and weren’t immediately great at it. After all, psychologists are doctors, and a doctor’s job is to help people who are suffering. Doctors don’t deal in morality, and they don’t label people for hurting others. What you’re thinking of is philosophers and priests, not doctors. Doctors are interested in helping the patient suffer less, not in imposing morality. This idea that a mental disorder is when you hurt other people is really bizarre. That’s not how medicine works at all.
Also treating someone as a threat their whole life is oppression. As any black man who’s been stopped in traffic by the police can tell you. Here you go treating people as a threat because of a mental disorder, the outcome is obvious.
We can recognize that somebody was a victim as a child, and recognize that may be the reason they are a danger today, but if they are untreated, and if you personally aren’t a doctor, you are likelier to be their victim than the other way around.
Something very strange just happened. I gave a long comment with three different reasons why pwNPD are vulnerable and aren’t abusers, and I elaborated on each of them. But then you just restated your belief, without including any arguments or sources. You didn’t even try to discredit my arguments. If you can’t give any reasons people should believe pwNPD are abusers, I think one could be forgiven for thinking there’s no good reason to believe your statement.
Alex Jones is a diagnosed narcissist. Tell me about his victimization and how he isn’t an abuser.
Well, that’s news to me. But I did already know that Elon Musk has autism and Donald Trump has obesity. Now if you were to say autistic people are abusers, or obese people are abusers, and offer up those two as proof, I’d laugh at you. Thus I feel obliged to laugh at you now for saying that one abuser being mentally ill proves mentally ill people are abusers.
Hahaha.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8391956/
It appears the current belief is that the higher you PCL-R score, the higher likelihood of violentally criminal behavior you are likely to exhibit.
A personality disorder is not the same as a personality trait. A personality disorder is a disturbance in normal personality functioning, but it doesn’t lock you into having one personality. People with NPD have a great variation in individual personality traits. A personality disorder diagnosis is determined on the basis of fitting a list of criteria, it’s not a judgement of someone’s entire personality.
Additionally, the article you linked says one of the leading indicators of criminal behaviour is “psychopathy”. Psychopathy is not a personality trait, nor is it even a recognised psychological term. Although I’m short on time, I have serious doubts about that review’s impartiality and proper use of the scientific method.
Finally, discriminating against people because a statistical model says they’re more likely to commit crimes is some Minority Report bullshit, and it’s also exactly how police treat black people. Profiling is wrong.
Nothing strange happened. You attempted sophistry in defense of a person who chooses right wing demagoguery which people may correctly or incorrectly diagnose as a consequence of having a personality disorder and you did so knowing full well we are in a climate where people are tired of right demagoguery. If, as you say, you are interested in scientific veracity and focus on dispassionate reasoned discussion how can you also not understand that sticking your dick in a live toaster will get you burned?
I didn’t defend him. I called him an asshole and said he isn’t a member of a vulnerable minority. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Gross
I hate this ride and I want people I know to get some fucking help instead of narcisizing all over my life.