• CaractacusPottsOP
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    publicly shaming Israelis and Jews

    This is about Zionism. It’s not about Jews. If you make it about Jews you are falling for the Zionist tactic of equating the two. Do better

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      Really I just meant the international community of Jewish people. Many of them have strong opinions about matters related to Israel.

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        As a member of the international community of Jews, I think what Israel is doing is monstrous and disgusting. But I am in no way responsible for what they do. I don’t live there, I’ve never been there, and I have zero ability to influence Israeli policy beyond expressing my disapproval, which I often do.

        Stop spreading the misinformation that Israel = all Jews.

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          I understand your frustration at what I am saying, but I believe you have more influence over the Israeli people than I do as a non-jew. Am I wrong? I just imagine that Israeli jews would take more seriously and be more introspective after receiving critical comments from a fellow Jewish person, who presumably is more in tune with the worries and historical context of the Jewish community than a non Jewish person is.

          My opinion is more easily decried as antisemitic or ignorant and waved away. Yours is not.

          When Christians do horrible things in the name of god, don’t you think being called out by other Christians is going to carry some more weight?

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            What would make you think this? Just because we happen to share an ethnicity doesn’t mean an entire nation will listen to me or give me any entitlement to tell them what to do. Nor is it my responsibility, as a Jew.

            And people who make decisions based on ancient mythology aren’t exactly making rational decisions in the first place, so I don’t know why an appeal on that basis would work. I may be a Jew, but I’m also an atheist. The last thing this situation needs is more religion.

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              Unfortunately, there’s no commonly accepted distinction between Jews who practice Judaism, Zionists, and ethnic Jews, At least not that I’m aware of. I do recognize that there is a difference, And if I were you, I would be pointing out the difference also.

              I’m sorry, man.It sounds like this is rough for you to be tied to these people by the Jewish label. I hope sometime in this century. All this b******* gets sorted out For everyone’s sake.

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                The difference between Jews and Zionists is the same as between Christians and Christo-Fascists.

                Believers vs. Believers who believe they need to be in control because God picked them and all others are lesser.

                Folks are welcome to believe what they want to believe, it’s when they want to use that belief to restrict other people that it’s a problem.

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                Yes there is— you just listed them. And what i find especially despicable is people like you who speak out of both sides of your mouth while disingenuously trying to appear “understanding” and civil. If you really felt bad for anyone, you wouldn’t be here making accusations and “just asking questions” in bad faith, trying to provoke an argument.

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                  I said commonly accepted. I’m sorry, but those distinctions are lost on the general public.And what we need is the general public to put pressure on politicians. But sure, whatever, Let’s get pissy and fight amongst ourselves. I’m sure that will help.

                  And don’t compare me to that just asking questions Tucker Carlson, bullshit. I don’t care where you live. I don’t think it’s a big ask for someone to stand up and say killing civilians is a bad thing.

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                    It’s pretty arrogant of you to think you get to speak for the “general public”. And you weren’t asking for someone to stand up and say killing civilians is a bad thing— you have been saying that I, as a Jew, should lecture all of Israel about what they’re doing and they they should listen just because I happen to be a Jew also. Did you suddenly get struck by amnesia and forget what you’ve been saying this whole time? Because you can scroll up and review your past comments if you forgot what you said. Everyone else who’s read this far sure saw what you said.

                    You say you don’t want to be compared to Tucker Carlson, then I suggest you drop his bad faith, bs “debate” style.