• CaractacusPottsOP
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    Every western government has been complicit in this genocide. USA most of all. None of this could have occurred had it not been for the funding and the diplomatic cover provided by our governments. It’s up to all of us to make it stop.

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      Lets not include Spain and the Republic of Ireland on it, who have even tried to get the EU to sanction Israel for this.

      But yeah, the rest are a disgrace, after the US especially Germany, who once again because of the etnicity of the aggressors, unwaveringly supports their committing of genocide along etnic lines and were the political and media “elites” even deploy Goebbels-style propaganda on this against its own populations. It was pretty dissapointing for me to see that whilst the national socialist party of the german worker is gone (though at the hands of others, not because it was kicked out by the Germans themselves), their cold violent racist ways are alive and well, at least amongst the German “elites”.

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      The Biden admin prevented a far worse outcome.

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          Psychopath Netanyahu wanted to use the Hamas terrorist attack as an excuse to fully wipe out Gazans. Biden prevented that. The proof is all of the survivors.

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              All would be dead now if your man trump were in power.

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                He is not my man. I despise that POS bullshit artist.

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                  You push the same narrative as trump cultists and the Kremlin, so it’s difficult to tell.

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      Oh yeah? Pray tell, how do we do that? And mind you, you’ve also got Iran in play, Egypt is doing its thing, and they would both react in their own way.

      Like would you suggest NATO troops on the ground? How do you think Hamas would react to that?

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        What tactics has the West utilized against Russia that they have not employed against Israel?

        Economic sanctions. Apply them to Israeli leadership in the military and in politics. Plus Business leaders and bankers. Prevent Israeli banking institutions “from accessing SWIFT, the international system for financial transactions, and restricting access to Western financial markets.” Ban Israeli access to international goods and services import as well as export. Let’s see how long their military can go without oil.

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      Well, I think the US public has been pretty vocal about this compared to most issues. People are really pissed at Biden. So don’t change the subject.

      I think it’s time we start publicly shaming Israelis and Jews who don’t make strong statements condemning the murder of civilians and protesting the reckless-at-best and seemingly genocidal actions of their government.

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        publicly shaming Israelis and Jews

        This is about Zionism. It’s not about Jews. If you make it about Jews you are falling for the Zionist tactic of equating the two. Do better

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          Really I just meant the international community of Jewish people. Many of them have strong opinions about matters related to Israel.

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            As a member of the international community of Jews, I think what Israel is doing is monstrous and disgusting. But I am in no way responsible for what they do. I don’t live there, I’ve never been there, and I have zero ability to influence Israeli policy beyond expressing my disapproval, which I often do.

            Stop spreading the misinformation that Israel = all Jews.

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              I understand your frustration at what I am saying, but I believe you have more influence over the Israeli people than I do as a non-jew. Am I wrong? I just imagine that Israeli jews would take more seriously and be more introspective after receiving critical comments from a fellow Jewish person, who presumably is more in tune with the worries and historical context of the Jewish community than a non Jewish person is.

              My opinion is more easily decried as antisemitic or ignorant and waved away. Yours is not.

              When Christians do horrible things in the name of god, don’t you think being called out by other Christians is going to carry some more weight?

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                What would make you think this? Just because we happen to share an ethnicity doesn’t mean an entire nation will listen to me or give me any entitlement to tell them what to do. Nor is it my responsibility, as a Jew.

                And people who make decisions based on ancient mythology aren’t exactly making rational decisions in the first place, so I don’t know why an appeal on that basis would work. I may be a Jew, but I’m also an atheist. The last thing this situation needs is more religion.

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                  Unfortunately, there’s no commonly accepted distinction between Jews who practice Judaism, Zionists, and ethnic Jews, At least not that I’m aware of. I do recognize that there is a difference, And if I were you, I would be pointing out the difference also.

                  I’m sorry, man.It sounds like this is rough for you to be tied to these people by the Jewish label. I hope sometime in this century. All this b******* gets sorted out For everyone’s sake.

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                    The difference between Jews and Zionists is the same as between Christians and Christo-Fascists.

                    Believers vs. Believers who believe they need to be in control because God picked them and all others are lesser.

                    Folks are welcome to believe what they want to believe, it’s when they want to use that belief to restrict other people that it’s a problem.

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                    Yes there is— you just listed them. And what i find especially despicable is people like you who speak out of both sides of your mouth while disingenuously trying to appear “understanding” and civil. If you really felt bad for anyone, you wouldn’t be here making accusations and “just asking questions” in bad faith, trying to provoke an argument.

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        I think it’s time we start publicly shaming Israelis and Jews who don’t make strong statements condemning the murder of civilians and protesting the reckless-at-best and seemingly genocidal actions of their government.

        Are you deliberately trying to use the same language as was used against Muslims 20 years ago?

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          No, I guess I don’t get your reference, unless you are referring to 911?

          If so it would be the Americans needing to condemn their government for invading Iraq, not the Muslims condemning 911.