• ILikeBoobies
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    4 months ago

    Historically you are incorrect

    If you don’t put power over someone else then someone comes in and puts it over you

    The vehicle for change was just how easily that other person can get to you

    You can go back to bronze age kings to demonstrate how what you said was false in all of recorded history

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      4 months ago

      There is a good yt channel talking about egalitarian societies in prehistory called What is Politics

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        4 months ago

        If you want to go far enough back that we use theory

        Then we can say prehistoric nomadic humans still had fights with other clans and territorial disputes because our genetic ancestors (chimps/monkeys/apes) also have those

        And if you were there with a gun, would you be able to dominate them? If so then you are able to put power over people without a power structure

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          3 months ago

          Territorial disputes where only common after agriculture in humans, because territory wasn’t as important before as mutual aid.

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            3 months ago

            You can point to territorial disputes between non-agrarian humans to suggest otherwise

            Hunting grounds and shelter were more important than mutual aid

            You don’t even need to use humans, you can use other primates

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              3 months ago

              it is not just farming land that is valuable, sometimes there are good fishing spots and etc in scarce regions. However those are far rarer situations and usually there is plenty of food for everyone, but hard times also happen and then most animals and humans practice mutual aid. There is a good book about it, by Kropotkin, called Mutual aid. It isn’t long, I listened to the audio book.