• olivebranch
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    10 months ago

    You are assuming someone always has to be in power over someone else. Historically most communities where run without anyone in charge, but with direct democracies. It just became harder with bigger cities, because it was harder to communicate with everyone else. Perhaps we can change that with the Internet.

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      10 months ago

      Historically you are incorrect

      If you don’t put power over someone else then someone comes in and puts it over you

      The vehicle for change was just how easily that other person can get to you

      You can go back to bronze age kings to demonstrate how what you said was false in all of recorded history

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        10 months ago

        There is a good yt channel talking about egalitarian societies in prehistory called What is Politics

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          10 months ago

          If you want to go far enough back that we use theory

          Then we can say prehistoric nomadic humans still had fights with other clans and territorial disputes because our genetic ancestors (chimps/monkeys/apes) also have those

          And if you were there with a gun, would you be able to dominate them? If so then you are able to put power over people without a power structure

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            9 months ago

            Territorial disputes where only common after agriculture in humans, because territory wasn’t as important before as mutual aid.

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              9 months ago

              You can point to territorial disputes between non-agrarian humans to suggest otherwise

              Hunting grounds and shelter were more important than mutual aid

              You don’t even need to use humans, you can use other primates

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                9 months ago

                it is not just farming land that is valuable, sometimes there are good fishing spots and etc in scarce regions. However those are far rarer situations and usually there is plenty of food for everyone, but hard times also happen and then most animals and humans practice mutual aid. There is a good book about it, by Kropotkin, called Mutual aid. It isn’t long, I listened to the audio book.