You’re a literal slave? You are not paid for the work you do? You work sleep work and nothing else? You are physically and mentally mistreated at work? Does your work make you suicidal? Are you unable to switch to a different job? Do you live under a dictatorial regime? Will you be shot and killed if you try to escape?
Yeah, I doubt you can honestly say yes to even a single one of those questions. Some of today’s work environments have issues, with a lot of them caused by companies, but a lot of them also caused by the likes of you who do want the perks and the money, but who just flat out refuse to do anything at all beyond complaining and talking about murdering those that did work hard.
I’ve been a low level employee, I’ve been dirt poor, I worked myself up over the years. I’ve had loads of shitty bosses, I’ve been (technically still am) a company owner, now I’m a C level director. I work hard, work responsibly, and try to do the best for all employees in my teams. Should I be murdered too?
With people like you it’s not the company that is a problem, you are the problem. Fix your own life before you start threatening those that you don’t like
Because it’s not a joke to Phoenixz. He’s just got the boot so far down his throat there’s no alternative. Reading his comment, it sounds like one of those people who owns a job not a business, and/or one of those people who thinks he’s now in the 1%s good graces now that he makes $100k/yr.
Somebody makes a valid argument and well, since we don’t know how to respond, we’ll just call it toxic capitalism.
Capitalism has issues, some severe, that can and must be fixed. Fee people will disagree there. You, however, are the type that actually believes that Communism is great and will solve all of our problems. Writing, probably, from your phone without realizing that that same phone is in your hands because of capitalism (ands butt loads of science, also supported by capitalism), just like the pants on your butt and the food in your belly and the medicine that has or will save your life.
You want capitalism to support a strong social system that gives you all the perks like free healthcare, free education, maybe even universal income.
So you’ve never received a salary, then? You always worked for free? Because if so, I think there in lies the problem. Go look for a job that is paid, and you’ll no longer be a slave. Problem solved. Next!
Years ago, I took a job at a call center. These jobs paid, on average at the time, about 10 dollars an hour. Which was more than minimum wage, but not by much.
Jobs other than call center work for under educated, under experienced people in my city were really hard to find. The good employers were almost never hiring, hired from within, and outsourced the entry level stuff. The vast majority of available jobs to myself and ultimately the other 300 people that ended up going through that particular call center were customer service roles.
That industry is notoriously difficult to break out of. You’d say ‘just go find a different job.’ and yeah that’s good in theory. But everyone working those jobs is always looking for another job. No one takes a call center job and isn’t thinking about getting a better job. If those jobs were readily available, call center staff simply wouldn’t exist. These are jobs of last resort. A step up from flipping burgers.
The pay is barely enough to afford rent and groceries. That was years ago, it’s probably much worse now. I had roommates. Without them I wouldn’t have been able to afford much other than going to work and back and feeding myself, nevermind driving all over town trying to find another job.
Thing is at these jobs you’re infinitely replaceable. As desperate as you were when you took it, there are ten other people behind you, just as if not more desperate for work. They will literally hire people off the street and throw them in training within a day.
So not only can you not afford to lose this job, you can’t afford to speak up at this job. You can’t unionize, because mentioning it will get you fired on the spot, you can’t speak up about abusive situations, because HR will simply fire you. You can’t even report illegal practices.
So on to this particular call center job. This was basically just filling mail order prescriptions. Theoretically people would call in, tell someone what they’d needed, we’d click a few buttons and in a week they’d have a 90 day supply.
That’s not what happened. 95% of the calls we received were problems. Most of the day was spent either being screamed at, or pleaded with, with none of the tools we needed to actually address these problems. To add to this, we were constantly watched by management. Quality, supervisors, auditors, trainers, you name it. If they weren’t taking calls they were listening to calls. My record was 3 simultaneous people listening in to a single phone call while it was happening but I heard of more. Any deviation from our very strict rules meant immediate and swift correction from everyone that heard about it, every time they heard about it. That was the only feedback.
Because we were not trained for the type of work we were doing, this negative feedback was constant.
Add to that, they gave us a really bizarre schedule. No one started at the same time every day. No one had two days off in a row. You might start at 11 am one day and 630 am next. You can imagine, bathroom breaks were also tightly monitored and yes, more than one woman was fired because they were pregnant and peed too frequently.
All of this is to just provide some context you apparently sorely need.
I found more than one suicide note at that job. Generally hidden under keyboards. I know at least one woman did commit suicide while employed there, two others that committed suicide in the years following, still working similar jobs.
It’s important to know how trapped these jobs make you feel. Not only are you rarely ever actually able to help anyone, the company you’re working for is actively making shitty business decisions and counting on you to smooth it over for them. Your managers are under pressure to keep your call times low and your answered calls high, and that shit rolls down hill. You can’t just quit, you can’t easily find a different job, you can’t afford to do anything other than work and sleep.
So no, it’s not a dictatorship. But that’s not the fucking problem.
And you are quite literally making shit up and call it an argument. Wage slave? really?
You are arguing that you kust want to sit and get shit for free? Is that it? Or are you one of those delusional ones that wants to make their own food on their own garden, and somehow believe that that will magically work, even though it obviously can’t?
There is a very realistic chance that I’m taller than you, and I’m very very much not angry. I’m slightly annoyed though by people spouting rhetoric whilst apparently not able to read highschool level English.
What part is it that you don’t understand? I’ll happily elaborate
What dogma? That we should all contribute to society, and get something in return for that?
Do you understand the mental gymnastics you’re doing here? You literally use the pinnacle of capitalism and science, a mobile phone ( I presume, if not, a computer works too) to bitch about the evils of capitalism and how you want to get rid of it and how evil it is for allowing you to do this in the first place. Because yes, without capitalism, you would not have this phone. You would not have most of the things you take for granted.
I’m presuming here that you’re young, 15-25 or so, and that you still have a lot of facts to learn about this world. I’ll assume you didn’t learn much history because if you did you’d know that capitalism has a lot of issues, that can and should be resolved, but it’s a buttload better than the alternatives
Gal, chill. Take a dipirone or something. You can criticize the system from within the system. The feudal owners of the pitchforks and guillotines during the Revolution probably noted the irony, too, when they were brought in to weigh.
I have no problem with criticizing capitalism, it’s flawed and has many issues that need resolving.
I have a problem with the types that live in this fantasy world where communism is awesome (yeah it’s not) and where we’ll all go live where we want and have a garden with vegetables in our yard and live off those and it will all be awesome and we will never need capitalism again and we can all ignore real world facts forever, yay!
How about you actually read what I wrote and then try again, instead of just seeing something you don’t like, stop reading, and try to make some half assed witty response?
I suffered nothing, you’re the ones literally acting like capitalism is only slavery
Maybe learn a little before you start talking about things you don’t understand? You’re literally parrotting nonsense statements that sound cool but mean nothing.
Wage slavery literally is an oxymoron but yeah, I’m the one spouting rhetoric. You don’t understand even the basic of what you wantzl, not how capitalism works.
With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, thinkers such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery, and engaged in critique of work while Luddites emphasized the dehumanization brought about by machines. The introduction of wage labor in 18th-century Britain was met with resistance, giving rise to the principles of syndicalism and anarchism.
Before the American Civil War, Southern defenders of keeping African Americans in slavery invoked the concept of wage slavery to favourably compare the condition of their slaves to workers in the North.
People like you are an insult to those that actually love slavery. ooohhh, you need to do a job you don’t like, it’s the same as being owned, having no option to escape, being abused. You insult millions of people that actually suffer because you read the equivalent of a Facebook post.
You are not a slave, stop telling everyone that you have it so so bad. I’m sure you have problems, FIX THEM. Next you’re going to equate hospitals to Nazi extermination camps too, I suppose? All very reasonable
You’re a literal slave? You are not paid for the work you do? You work sleep work and nothing else? You are physically and mentally mistreated at work? Does your work make you suicidal? Are you unable to switch to a different job? Do you live under a dictatorial regime? Will you be shot and killed if you try to escape?
Yeah, I doubt you can honestly say yes to even a single one of those questions. Some of today’s work environments have issues, with a lot of them caused by companies, but a lot of them also caused by the likes of you who do want the perks and the money, but who just flat out refuse to do anything at all beyond complaining and talking about murdering those that did work hard.
I’ve been a low level employee, I’ve been dirt poor, I worked myself up over the years. I’ve had loads of shitty bosses, I’ve been (technically still am) a company owner, now I’m a C level director. I work hard, work responsibly, and try to do the best for all employees in my teams. Should I be murdered too?
With people like you it’s not the company that is a problem, you are the problem. Fix your own life before you start threatening those that you don’t like
This guy is so staunch in his toxic capitalism at the cost of everything that he didn’t even stop to consider that this may be a joke.
Because it’s not a joke to Phoenixz. He’s just got the boot so far down his throat there’s no alternative. Reading his comment, it sounds like one of those people who owns a job not a business, and/or one of those people who thinks he’s now in the 1%s good graces now that he makes $100k/yr.
Somebody makes a valid argument and well, since we don’t know how to respond, we’ll just call it toxic capitalism.
Capitalism has issues, some severe, that can and must be fixed. Fee people will disagree there. You, however, are the type that actually believes that Communism is great and will solve all of our problems. Writing, probably, from your phone without realizing that that same phone is in your hands because of capitalism (ands butt loads of science, also supported by capitalism), just like the pants on your butt and the food in your belly and the medicine that has or will save your life.
You want capitalism to support a strong social system that gives you all the perks like free healthcare, free education, maybe even universal income.
Nobody gets paid for the work they do under capitalism. The proletariat gets his value stolen, the Cs and owners get paid for work they didn’t do.
So you’ve never received a salary, then? You always worked for free? Because if so, I think there in lies the problem. Go look for a job that is paid, and you’ll no longer be a slave. Problem solved. Next!
Are you stupid or illiterate?
Neither. I’m paid, with a salary
Survivorship bias much…
… What are you even talking about?
Google it.
Let me rephrase: what have you been smoking?
Nothing as potent as what you’ve been doing.
All slavery aside… YOU! Motherfucker! Are the problem.
Great argument! Now go back to sitting and being useless to everyone, just like you’re doing now.
I have been in a position in the past to answer yes to more than one of those questions, many of the people I used to work with still can.
So you’re living in a dictatorship, I presume? Because you don’t find any of that crap in any western (ie, capitalist, ooohhh!) country.
Years ago, I took a job at a call center. These jobs paid, on average at the time, about 10 dollars an hour. Which was more than minimum wage, but not by much.
Jobs other than call center work for under educated, under experienced people in my city were really hard to find. The good employers were almost never hiring, hired from within, and outsourced the entry level stuff. The vast majority of available jobs to myself and ultimately the other 300 people that ended up going through that particular call center were customer service roles.
That industry is notoriously difficult to break out of. You’d say ‘just go find a different job.’ and yeah that’s good in theory. But everyone working those jobs is always looking for another job. No one takes a call center job and isn’t thinking about getting a better job. If those jobs were readily available, call center staff simply wouldn’t exist. These are jobs of last resort. A step up from flipping burgers.
The pay is barely enough to afford rent and groceries. That was years ago, it’s probably much worse now. I had roommates. Without them I wouldn’t have been able to afford much other than going to work and back and feeding myself, nevermind driving all over town trying to find another job.
Thing is at these jobs you’re infinitely replaceable. As desperate as you were when you took it, there are ten other people behind you, just as if not more desperate for work. They will literally hire people off the street and throw them in training within a day.
So not only can you not afford to lose this job, you can’t afford to speak up at this job. You can’t unionize, because mentioning it will get you fired on the spot, you can’t speak up about abusive situations, because HR will simply fire you. You can’t even report illegal practices.
So on to this particular call center job. This was basically just filling mail order prescriptions. Theoretically people would call in, tell someone what they’d needed, we’d click a few buttons and in a week they’d have a 90 day supply.
That’s not what happened. 95% of the calls we received were problems. Most of the day was spent either being screamed at, or pleaded with, with none of the tools we needed to actually address these problems. To add to this, we were constantly watched by management. Quality, supervisors, auditors, trainers, you name it. If they weren’t taking calls they were listening to calls. My record was 3 simultaneous people listening in to a single phone call while it was happening but I heard of more. Any deviation from our very strict rules meant immediate and swift correction from everyone that heard about it, every time they heard about it. That was the only feedback.
Because we were not trained for the type of work we were doing, this negative feedback was constant.
Add to that, they gave us a really bizarre schedule. No one started at the same time every day. No one had two days off in a row. You might start at 11 am one day and 630 am next. You can imagine, bathroom breaks were also tightly monitored and yes, more than one woman was fired because they were pregnant and peed too frequently.
All of this is to just provide some context you apparently sorely need.
I found more than one suicide note at that job. Generally hidden under keyboards. I know at least one woman did commit suicide while employed there, two others that committed suicide in the years following, still working similar jobs.
It’s important to know how trapped these jobs make you feel. Not only are you rarely ever actually able to help anyone, the company you’re working for is actively making shitty business decisions and counting on you to smooth it over for them. Your managers are under pressure to keep your call times low and your answered calls high, and that shit rolls down hill. You can’t just quit, you can’t easily find a different job, you can’t afford to do anything other than work and sleep.
So no, it’s not a dictatorship. But that’s not the fucking problem.
There are different kinds of slavery. A wage slave is no different than a chattel slave in many ways, but of course very different in others.
And you are quite literally making shit up and call it an argument. Wage slave? really?
You are arguing that you kust want to sit and get shit for free? Is that it? Or are you one of those delusional ones that wants to make their own food on their own garden, and somehow believe that that will magically work, even though it obviously can’t?
You’re a small and angry individual and I have no idea what the fuck you’re trying to say.
There is a very realistic chance that I’m taller than you, and I’m very very much not angry. I’m slightly annoyed though by people spouting rhetoric whilst apparently not able to read highschool level English.
What part is it that you don’t understand? I’ll happily elaborate
You ok? Boomerang lashing at some capitalist bullying you’ve suffered?
They’ve conditioned him into blindly accepting and preaching the dogma.
What dogma? That we should all contribute to society, and get something in return for that?
Do you understand the mental gymnastics you’re doing here? You literally use the pinnacle of capitalism and science, a mobile phone ( I presume, if not, a computer works too) to bitch about the evils of capitalism and how you want to get rid of it and how evil it is for allowing you to do this in the first place. Because yes, without capitalism, you would not have this phone. You would not have most of the things you take for granted.
I’m presuming here that you’re young, 15-25 or so, and that you still have a lot of facts to learn about this world. I’ll assume you didn’t learn much history because if you did you’d know that capitalism has a lot of issues, that can and should be resolved, but it’s a buttload better than the alternatives
You assume a great deal based on a smart ass quip. Go jerk off to Ayn Rand some more you autistic twat.
Gal, chill. Take a dipirone or something. You can criticize the system from within the system. The feudal owners of the pitchforks and guillotines during the Revolution probably noted the irony, too, when they were brought in to weigh.
I have no problem with criticizing capitalism, it’s flawed and has many issues that need resolving.
I have a problem with the types that live in this fantasy world where communism is awesome (yeah it’s not) and where we’ll all go live where we want and have a garden with vegetables in our yard and live off those and it will all be awesome and we will never need capitalism again and we can all ignore real world facts forever, yay!
How about you actually read what I wrote and then try again, instead of just seeing something you don’t like, stop reading, and try to make some half assed witty response?
I suffered nothing, you’re the ones literally acting like capitalism is only slavery
wage slavery is abhorrent, even if you happen to like it.
Maybe learn a little before you start talking about things you don’t understand? You’re literally parrotting nonsense statements that sound cool but mean nothing.
this is pure rhetoric. it doesn’t even undermine what it said. it’s pure posturing.
Wage slavery literally is an oxymoron but yeah, I’m the one spouting rhetoric. You don’t understand even the basic of what you wantzl, not how capitalism works.
Similarities between wage labor and slavery were noted as early as Cicero in Ancient Rome, such as in De Officiis.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/47001/47001-h/47001-h.htm
With the advent of the Industrial Revolution, thinkers such as Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Karl Marx elaborated the comparison between wage labor and slavery, and engaged in critique of work while Luddites emphasized the dehumanization brought about by machines. The introduction of wage labor in 18th-century Britain was met with resistance, giving rise to the principles of syndicalism and anarchism.
you could spend three seconds researching before you decide something doesn’t exist.
Before the American Civil War, Southern defenders of keeping African Americans in slavery invoked the concept of wage slavery to favourably compare the condition of their slaves to workers in the North.
Seriously, arguing that being paid for work is the same as being a slave?
pay or lack of it isn’t what defines slavery
Dear. God.
People like you are an insult to those that actually love slavery. ooohhh, you need to do a job you don’t like, it’s the same as being owned, having no option to escape, being abused. You insult millions of people that actually suffer because you read the equivalent of a Facebook post.
You are not a slave, stop telling everyone that you have it so so bad. I’m sure you have problems, FIX THEM. Next you’re going to equate hospitals to Nazi extermination camps too, I suppose? All very reasonable