I don’t really get the big deal, it feels like a janky workaround when people could just use a different messaging platform and wait till Apple complies with the EU order
Around where I am, lots of friends have Apple devices but chats are still scattered across various messaging platforms
Its just the silliest things. I would love for these people to be strapped into a chair, forcibly made to download Signal and open account, and be like “Oh, deng it Buck, its really not such a big fucking deal that I was bitching about nothing in relation to”
Do it to everyone who refuses out of non-principle and suddenly, the bullshit excuse (“but but nobody’s on it”) evaporates
I used Signal since it was called TextSecure and I don’t think I ever successfully got another person using it.
Eventually uninstalled it because it was just largely useless, anytime I messaged a friend who seemed to be using it they were more confused than anything.
Are they simple? Like whats to be confused about? Its literally a fact its no more complicated than Whatsapp, what say you now (assuming we’re all still operating in good faith)
People who make extraordinar(ily)y silly claims like “Signal is HARD 😢”, I don’t think anyone can help them
I’d argue that Signal is the cleanest and simplest messaging platform out there
If anything, the complicated thing might be that the data is stored locally on your device, so you need to take extra steps to back up the data
But every platform has some small quirks to learn. People figure out how to adjust to all the other “big” platforms because they want to use them. It’s not that Signal or Fediverse is harder, some people will use it as an excuse to feel justified in not switching
No one I know uses WhatsApp either (thank fuck). No one wants to download another app that now they have to juggle between different sets of people. I’m a software dev and even I hate all this nonsense of ten different messaging apps. On any given day I might use slack, discord, Zulip, Google messages, imessage, and matrix. Two is too many, this is just ridiculous. Absolutely no one in America wants to be using this many apps to communicate. Which is why most people just use the default.
Last I checked, Signal still hasn’t fixed their giant UX problem, which is that when you first install the app, it announces you to other Signal users on your contact list.
This makes it completely unusable for anybody who actually needs, you know, a secure messenger (like a domestic abuse victim).
I mean I use Signal every day and I love it.
But it irks me that they’re like “Oh we’re super secure. Unless you’re trying to get help from your abusive husband, in which case, guess what, we just snitched on you to your abusive husband! Good luck with that!”
Signal notifies users who have your phone number in their contact list; it doesn’t matter if you have them in theirs. It’s an unfortunate side effect of their using phone numbers as identifiers instead of usernames or friend codes or something.
Still a problem, and you basically need a new number as a workaround if you’re trying to conceal that you’re using it. On the upside, they don’t get access to your profile without your permission, so if an ex sees that you signed up they don’t know if it’s you or if you changed your number
Or, a step further, since the original Beeper is a Matrix server with various open source messaging bridges slapped on it, with a fancy client interface… Why not just fucking use a Matrix server with those bridges set up? Or even set up your own Matrix server and iMessage bridge?
Beeper is literally paying people to set up open sources services for you. I’m not against this, it’s a good business model, but Beeper has obviously put the cart before the horse here.
Its just not sustainable, any relation to closed fundamentally insecure “services” like iMessage. iMessage is dogshit, always has been, never won’t not be
Signal is just another walled garden silo with no real value over WhatsApp just owned by a different organization. I won’t use anything which is not XMPP compatible.
A wholly different organization; non-profit actually. And it is open source. Those are pretty big advantages over WhatsApp. I’m pro xmpp, but Signal is an improvement over WhatsApp.
I don’t really get the big deal, it feels like a janky workaround when people could just use a different messaging platform and wait till Apple complies with the EU order
Around where I am, lots of friends have Apple devices but chats are still scattered across various messaging platforms
Its just the silliest things. I would love for these people to be strapped into a chair, forcibly made to download Signal and open account, and be like “Oh, deng it Buck, its really not such a big fucking deal that I was bitching about nothing in relation to”
Do it to everyone who refuses out of non-principle and suddenly, the bullshit excuse (“but but nobody’s on it”) evaporates
I used Signal since it was called TextSecure and I don’t think I ever successfully got another person using it.
Eventually uninstalled it because it was just largely useless, anytime I messaged a friend who seemed to be using it they were more confused than anything.
Are they simple? Like whats to be confused about? Its literally a fact its no more complicated than Whatsapp, what say you now (assuming we’re all still operating in good faith)
People who make extraordinar(ily)y silly claims like “Signal is HARD 😢”, I don’t think anyone can help them
I’d argue that Signal is the cleanest and simplest messaging platform out there
If anything, the complicated thing might be that the data is stored locally on your device, so you need to take extra steps to back up the data
But every platform has some small quirks to learn. People figure out how to adjust to all the other “big” platforms because they want to use them. It’s not that Signal or Fediverse is harder, some people will use it as an excuse to feel justified in not switching
Ya its annoying how sometimes, people need to be “made” to see 👀
No one I know uses WhatsApp either (thank fuck). No one wants to download another app that now they have to juggle between different sets of people. I’m a software dev and even I hate all this nonsense of ten different messaging apps. On any given day I might use slack, discord, Zulip, Google messages, imessage, and matrix. Two is too many, this is just ridiculous. Absolutely no one in America wants to be using this many apps to communicate. Which is why most people just use the default.
Yeah, but I enjoy even less the notion that there are mutliple other little buddies and partners listening in and parsing/mining my conversations
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How do they not have it on like their main/daily driver? This makes no sense to me
Last I checked, Signal still hasn’t fixed their giant UX problem, which is that when you first install the app, it announces you to other Signal users on your contact list. This makes it completely unusable for anybody who actually needs, you know, a secure messenger (like a domestic abuse victim).
I mean I use Signal every day and I love it. But it irks me that they’re like “Oh we’re super secure. Unless you’re trying to get help from your abusive husband, in which case, guess what, we just snitched on you to your abusive husband! Good luck with that!”
Signal notifies users who have your phone number in their contact list; it doesn’t matter if you have them in theirs. It’s an unfortunate side effect of their using phone numbers as identifiers instead of usernames or friend codes or something.
Still a problem, and you basically need a new number as a workaround if you’re trying to conceal that you’re using it. On the upside, they don’t get access to your profile without your permission, so if an ex sees that you signed up they don’t know if it’s you or if you changed your number
Same for me. Was never able to get literally a single other person using it.
Or, a step further, since the original Beeper is a Matrix server with various open source messaging bridges slapped on it, with a fancy client interface… Why not just fucking use a Matrix server with those bridges set up? Or even set up your own Matrix server and iMessage bridge?
Beeper is literally paying people to set up open sources services for you. I’m not against this, it’s a good business model, but Beeper has obviously put the cart before the horse here.
Its just not sustainable, any relation to closed fundamentally insecure “services” like iMessage. iMessage is dogshit, always has been, never won’t not be
Triple negative. Nice!
That isn’t not how I do 🤣
Signal is just another walled garden silo with no real value over WhatsApp just owned by a different organization. I won’t use anything which is not XMPP compatible.
A wholly different organization; non-profit actually. And it is open source. Those are pretty big advantages over WhatsApp. I’m pro xmpp, but Signal is an improvement over WhatsApp.
Fair enough. Wanna share actual alternatives?
https://quicksy.im/
For iOS?
https://monal-im.org/
Thanks I will check out soon.
I thought the EU had determined that iMessage will not be subject to the open messaging provisions.
iMessage will reportedly dodge EU regulations, won’t have to open up
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Ah good to know, seems more of a thing in the US
Other messaging platforms it is