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    You think that governments didn’t exist thousands of years ago? Governments predate debt and money, by a long shot because guess what, ever since we’ve been tribes we’ve had governments. A tribe is a government.

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        Why do you think modern governments are the only type of government there has ever been? Tribal governments, elder councils, feudal governments, republics, pharoahs, god-kings, etc… Ever since people have lived in groups they have followed some sort of governance.

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          That’s not true. plenty of anarchist societies have existed. can you cite a source for your claim that people have always been governed?

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          Why do you think modern governments are the only type of government there has ever been?

          I never said that.

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            Yet you keep acting like it. Currency came well after governments, because you need a government to regulate the value of currency and give it stability.

            Bartering existed before currency, perhaps you’re thinking of bartering and confusing it with the idea of money. They are not the same thing in case you weren’t aware.

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              I’ve given you everything that you need to learn about why you’re wrong. Your refusal to give up on your wrong-headed notions and assumptions indicates that you’re not actually interested in having a conversation about this or learning when you are wrong. have a nice day.

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                Your refusal to understand the difference between bartering and money is making it impossible to educate you on why you are wrong. Debt is not money, bartering is not money, they are different concepts.

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        That tribes have governments? Yes, it’s called tribal governance. Literally any power structure dictating the lives of a group of people is their government.

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                  knowledge, being defined as a justified true belief, cannot be what you have about my state of having read that book. you have no justification for any belief about it because you haven’t read it. further you certainly can’t know that I haven’t unless that were true.

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                    Well if you read it you failed to understand it, because it clearly discusses barter systems relating to debt, not currency.

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              you didn’t even bother to read your own source. it clearly says that the earliest humans didn’t need government.