• teuast
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    Your history is wrong. We had begun industrializing about 100 years before trucks were invented and more like 160 before they really became dominant.

    And are you literally arguing that building rail is more cost prohibitive, time consuming, and inflexible than building roads? Like actually? Unironically? I’m sorry, buddy, but when you start getting into numbers, that’s my territory and you’re out of your depth. https://alankandel.scienceblog.com/2014/01/11/rails-vs-roads-for-value-utilization-emissions-savings-difference-like-night-and-day/

    If only we properly invested in history education in this country. Then maybe people wouldn’t be embarrassing themselves by making arguments like yours.

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      We had begun industrializing about 100 years before trucks were invented and more like 160 before they really became dominant.

      We enslaved, hurt, and killed millions of horses.

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      This only addresses passenger transit and none of the logistics issues which have been my actual argument.

      This is not practical for transporting cargo around a moderately sized urban area. It never will be.

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        ok then

        What you’ve been failing to consider, which I think I may have been taking as read to my detriment, is that the way our cities are organized plays a big role in determining which mode of shipping is more effective. The denser of a center you have, the more businesses you have concentrated in one place, the more you need capacity and the less you need flexibility. That inverts as things get more spread out and stuff needs to get to more different places. When you have a city organized around its rail infrastructure rather than a sprawling car-dependent mess, that rail infrastructure absolutely kills at supplying the place, significantly reducing the severity of the last-mile problem.

        I will also note that even the most anti-car places still rightfully allow for delivery vehicles, and neither I nor I think any other person who doesn’t like cars would begrudge that. I personally just think that pretty much any shipping done by big rig when it could be done by rail is a missed opportunity.

        Here are a few additional links for you to consider:

        Trucking is heavily subsidized

        The interstates are increasingly a metaphorical financial albatross around our collective neck

        The places that are connected by and organized around rail are invariably the most economically productive areas of any city