It is both here and there. It isn’t an argument against your statement. It is saying how what you’ve said is worse than it appears. It is both enhancing and expanding on your comment.
And you’re trying to start an argument on the internet with someone on your side. 🤦
Starting to think you might be one of those lost causes.
You: FUCK YOU! NO, IT EQUALS FOUR. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, “DEFINITELY FOUR”? HERE, NOR THERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH ME I’M GOING TO START AN ARGUMENT. I’M NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
Honestly, this whole thread gets funnier every time I read it.
Vote? What the hell are you on about? Listen, when you’re willing to place the goalposts back where they were originally, we’ll continue this discussion. Otherwise…
I don’t care that they can vote. My point was that they’re lost causes. Period. That they can vote is entirely irrelevant to what I said. They cannot be reasoned with. Regardless of votes.
Or never think it will ever happen to them so if they aren’t ever going to benefit from it, why should they pay for anybody to have it?
The perfect example of this is during COVID in the UK when everything locked down and the government implemented furlough payments for all workers using your wage defined by income tax. Lots of self employed are set up as a business and pay the majority of their income as the business with a token amount being actual wages so that they qualify for state benefits like the state pension. This is done to lower their tax bill. Cue loads of self employed moaning that they weren’t getting enough to live on, despite making an intentional choice to pay less tax.
Or never think it will ever happen to them so if they aren’t ever going to benefit from it, why should they pay for anybody to have it?
But I’m in this camp, why should I pay taxes if all I see is a dreadful health system, shit public education system, knowing the social security is bankrupt and will not be able to provide me with a decent retirement, and all the money going into bank bailouts and mismanaged public companies.
If all I see is the gov mismanaging the funds I give them, why am I not allowed to manage them myself?
It’s a good point, but it’s the people’s group responsibility to hold those in power accountable for their mismanagement. Voting in different government, protesting, escalating to action, eating them. Maybe in that order.
If everyone stops paying, you remove the tax and benefits system entirely, and are just left with 100% privatisation. That’s exactly what the rich and priveleged want so they can look after themselves and profit more.
The main problem here is that they very much did want to benefit from the state, after intentionally not paying.
If you are totally prepared and have the money to pay for your own services be they school, health care, police, fire, roads etc. then crack on with it. Vast majority of people rely on at least some of those services during their lifetime, they simply are not rich enough to do this.
At this point, the people smart enough to understand this- already get it. Those that refuse to accept it- are lost causes.
lost causes with the power to vote…
This is not the scariest part
Here, nor there. The point remains. There’s no getting through to them. They’re beyond help.
It is both here and there. It isn’t an argument against your statement. It is saying how what you’ve said is worse than it appears. It is both enhancing and expanding on your comment.
And you’re trying to start an argument on the internet with someone on your side. 🤦
Starting to think you might be one of those lost causes.
It’s an irrelevant point regardless of what side you’re on. I don’t just agree with people because they agree with me. That’s not how it works.
You: 2+2=4
Them: yes, definitely four.
You: FUCK YOU! NO, IT EQUALS FOUR. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, “DEFINITELY FOUR”? HERE, NOR THERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU AGREE WITH ME I’M GOING TO START AN ARGUMENT. I’M NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
Honestly, this whole thread gets funnier every time I read it.
This isn’t how I see it. But you do you. Not discussing it further.
You: 🤡
Agree about what?
Are you now suggesting that those people who are lost causes DON’T have the power to vote? What the eff is wrong with you?
Vote? What the hell are you on about? Listen, when you’re willing to place the goalposts back where they were originally, we’ll continue this discussion. Otherwise…
I’m out.
That’s the comment you flipped the fuck out about.
Also, goalpost moving is a metaphor for when there’s a debate, and one side is attempting to change the winning conditions.
Except there is no debate. There’s just you yelling at people for agreeing with you. Those bastards. How dare people be on your side.
Do you not understand what I’m saying?
I don’t care that they can vote. My point was that they’re lost causes. Period. That they can vote is entirely irrelevant to what I said. They cannot be reasoned with. Regardless of votes.
Have you reread his comment now? Do you understand it yet?
(By the by, you truncated the expression in your first sentence: “it’s neither here nor there”. Wasn’t sure if you did that on purpose for brevity.)
My point was that them voting is irrelevant. They can be reasoned with.
You specifically said “they are lost causes”.
NOW YOU’RE ARGUING WITH YOURSELF?!?
Are you calling yourself a liar, saying they can now “be reasoned with”?? 😂🤣😂
What the hell is wrong with you? You are so keen to fight, you want to argue with yourself now?!
This is absolutely amazing.
The problem will always be the people not smart enough to understand it
Or never think it will ever happen to them so if they aren’t ever going to benefit from it, why should they pay for anybody to have it?
The perfect example of this is during COVID in the UK when everything locked down and the government implemented furlough payments for all workers using your wage defined by income tax. Lots of self employed are set up as a business and pay the majority of their income as the business with a token amount being actual wages so that they qualify for state benefits like the state pension. This is done to lower their tax bill. Cue loads of self employed moaning that they weren’t getting enough to live on, despite making an intentional choice to pay less tax.
But I’m in this camp, why should I pay taxes if all I see is a dreadful health system, shit public education system, knowing the social security is bankrupt and will not be able to provide me with a decent retirement, and all the money going into bank bailouts and mismanaged public companies.
If all I see is the gov mismanaging the funds I give them, why am I not allowed to manage them myself?
It’s a good point, but it’s the people’s group responsibility to hold those in power accountable for their mismanagement. Voting in different government, protesting, escalating to action, eating them. Maybe in that order.
If everyone stops paying, you remove the tax and benefits system entirely, and are just left with 100% privatisation. That’s exactly what the rich and priveleged want so they can look after themselves and profit more.
The main problem here is that they very much did want to benefit from the state, after intentionally not paying.
If you are totally prepared and have the money to pay for your own services be they school, health care, police, fire, roads etc. then crack on with it. Vast majority of people rely on at least some of those services during their lifetime, they simply are not rich enough to do this.
Because you’re a person, and not the government making policy.
I don’t think so. I know otherwise intelligent people who think 40% of beneficiaries are “scroungers” who are “cheating the system” somehow.
The more we can circulate this message the better: there is still plenty of people who could be brought around.