By what scale? Medieval peasants only had to pay 10% in taxes and got sooooo much free time. Technology even today is still bad for us, but nature and free time? Come on, what’s the point of having all these gadgets and what not if we don’t have the time to use them, and they’re all run by faceless corporations who make things as addictive and monetized as possible?
Productivity. That’s what you want to compare to wages, and it has definitely increased faster than wages, so why aren’t the workers being paid proportionately to their increased productivity?
Medieval peasants only had to pay 10% in taxes and got sooooo much free time.
They also had no access to information or medicine, no human rights, no nutrition, no healthcare of any kind, and only expected to live to the age of 50 if they were lucky. Also “10% taxes” is laughable considering under serfdom peasants were basically considered the property of the landed nobles.
Care to have a conversation and not just repeat random excerpts you read from a textbook?
So tell me, how exactly are we expected to consume all those goods in that basket that are used to measure inflation, when we are not paid in proportion to our increased productivity? Do those goods just pay for themselves with wages we do not receive?
Experience? If you say so, again just sounds like you’re quoting a textbook.
If you’re referring to experience all the way back to your quality of life comment, how old are you? Quality of life has definitely dropped since baby boomers were in their 20s and 30s and 40s
Sure we have netflix, we’re all interconnected and have instant access to information on the internet, but we can’t raise a family on a single income, we can’t pay off college or university with a single year of a summer job
In what way has quality of life dropped? We wouldn’t be having this conversation 10 years ago. I enjoy being able to experience an open source platform such as Lemmy, from my smartphone while getting drunk and lounging about at home. I couldn’t have done that without advancements in technology. I feel like that improves my quality of life at no cost. An example of how my life is improved, regardless of wages.
I’m paying devils advocate. I’m all for wages increasing for the average person. I just want people the feel happy for all the amazing things we have in our modern world.
Something has definitely gone screwy and we’ve definitely not gotten the balance right - but equally I’d tend to agree that QoL has substantially improved since the 70s. Air quality, many medical advances, many more people in less labour intensive jobs, safety and quality of products has also improved substantially. General societal attitudes towards women and minority groups is better as well as all the tech and toys.
Housing is messed up and there’s seemingly been a shift towards the rich, the taxes imposed on the wealthiest in society has been reduced and income inequality has increased. We may or may not be more stressed (I tend to think we are) and capitalism in general has shifted from worker first to shareholder first.
The stats above definitely don’t tell the whole story either, doubling productivity while reducing price, for instance, may increase access to a product to consumers with no net gain to the company and while this is almost certainly not the case in every scenario, it just shows we can’t just cherry pick stats blame all of society’s ills on them.
I don’t think we actually need any of those things. I think they are all just middle men, a creation to fill the need for meaningful human interaction that the very system pumping these products out created in the first place.
I’d say the very existence of those things is proof of, and the cause of our abysmal current qol.
I think we are finally figuring this out on a wider scale, but too late, and not enough.
Say for yourself or for your countrymen but most people from my bubble can raise a family and don’t have to pay for a college or university. Europe is just built different and QoL is like tenfold better than 20 years ago, not to mention 30 or 40. The problem doesn’t like in current times but in your own country.
I agree with the premise that late stage capitalism is a cancer, but I do have to say this particular scale of productivity/wage doesn’t necessarily imply effort/wage directly. Tooling and technology has also improved productivity and in some cases has made jobs far less effort than they once were; arguably a good portion of profits were paid to who developed those solutions.
I don’t have a better comparison to offer unfortunately, just a small blind spot in the data I think is worth mentioning.
I’m guessing quality of life has increased faster than wages.
By what scale? Medieval peasants only had to pay 10% in taxes and got sooooo much free time. Technology even today is still bad for us, but nature and free time? Come on, what’s the point of having all these gadgets and what not if we don’t have the time to use them, and they’re all run by faceless corporations who make things as addictive and monetized as possible?
Productivity. That’s what you want to compare to wages, and it has definitely increased faster than wages, so why aren’t the workers being paid proportionately to their increased productivity?
They also had no access to information or medicine, no human rights, no nutrition, no healthcare of any kind, and only expected to live to the age of 50 if they were lucky. Also “10% taxes” is laughable considering under serfdom peasants were basically considered the property of the landed nobles.
Productivity improves the value of the basket of goods that we all consume.
…uh okay?
So back to my questions, by what scale?
Care to have a conversation and not just repeat random excerpts you read from a textbook?
So tell me, how exactly are we expected to consume all those goods in that basket that are used to measure inflation, when we are not paid in proportion to our increased productivity? Do those goods just pay for themselves with wages we do not receive?
I’m just sharing my experience. I don’t have any data to back up my statements, sorry.
Experience? If you say so, again just sounds like you’re quoting a textbook.
If you’re referring to experience all the way back to your quality of life comment, how old are you? Quality of life has definitely dropped since baby boomers were in their 20s and 30s and 40s
Sure we have netflix, we’re all interconnected and have instant access to information on the internet, but we can’t raise a family on a single income, we can’t pay off college or university with a single year of a summer job
What textbook? I’m just some guy on the Internet.
In what way has quality of life dropped? We wouldn’t be having this conversation 10 years ago. I enjoy being able to experience an open source platform such as Lemmy, from my smartphone while getting drunk and lounging about at home. I couldn’t have done that without advancements in technology. I feel like that improves my quality of life at no cost. An example of how my life is improved, regardless of wages.
I’m paying devils advocate. I’m all for wages increasing for the average person. I just want people the feel happy for all the amazing things we have in our modern world.
Something has definitely gone screwy and we’ve definitely not gotten the balance right - but equally I’d tend to agree that QoL has substantially improved since the 70s. Air quality, many medical advances, many more people in less labour intensive jobs, safety and quality of products has also improved substantially. General societal attitudes towards women and minority groups is better as well as all the tech and toys.
Housing is messed up and there’s seemingly been a shift towards the rich, the taxes imposed on the wealthiest in society has been reduced and income inequality has increased. We may or may not be more stressed (I tend to think we are) and capitalism in general has shifted from worker first to shareholder first.
The stats above definitely don’t tell the whole story either, doubling productivity while reducing price, for instance, may increase access to a product to consumers with no net gain to the company and while this is almost certainly not the case in every scenario, it just shows we can’t just cherry pick stats blame all of society’s ills on them.
I don’t think we actually need any of those things. I think they are all just middle men, a creation to fill the need for meaningful human interaction that the very system pumping these products out created in the first place.
I’d say the very existence of those things is proof of, and the cause of our abysmal current qol.
I think we are finally figuring this out on a wider scale, but too late, and not enough.
We’ve been had, by our damn selves.
Say for yourself or for your countrymen but most people from my bubble can raise a family and don’t have to pay for a college or university. Europe is just built different and QoL is like tenfold better than 20 years ago, not to mention 30 or 40. The problem doesn’t like in current times but in your own country.
I agree with the premise that late stage capitalism is a cancer, but I do have to say this particular scale of productivity/wage doesn’t necessarily imply effort/wage directly. Tooling and technology has also improved productivity and in some cases has made jobs far less effort than they once were; arguably a good portion of profits were paid to who developed those solutions.
I don’t have a better comparison to offer unfortunately, just a small blind spot in the data I think is worth mentioning.