(I’m just trying to learn. No hidden mockery in this and this is no gotcha bs aimed at t women. I’m NOT transphobic. Just saw this in a debate and wanted to know other people’s thoughts)

I just want to know:

  1. Is this factually correct?
  2. If it is, does it matter? Why or why not?
  3. How would you logically respond to this?
  4. How does this statement not contradict with Trans Women are Women
    • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      there are many types of chromosomes outside of xy and xx. and they are about as common as being trans. shit, its fairly common for karyotype tests to come back with only an x for people past a certain age, a lot of people lose their second sex chromosome over time. this would make many people have an unverifiable ‘birth sex’ beyond just what is physically in their pants

      even if i did have an xy chromosome (i dont even know if i do) being biologically male or female is nebulous. “biological men” dont have big feminine tits and estrogen in them for decades, but i do. so at minimum i am something not phenotypically or biologically male or female despite identifying as a trans woman

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        I was only explaining what they meant, not conjecture. There’s like 40+ DNA xy type variants…there’s an info graphic somewhere. Biology DNA would also be different than phenotype oresented.

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      DNA isn’t perfect either though. It’s possible to be AMAB with XX chromosomes and AFAB with XY chromosomes (both still having the “correct” fully functional organs for their assigned gender). Some intersex people can also have multiple sets of DNA, some being XX and some being XY.

      Neatly fitting all cases of biology into 2 categories like that is basically impossible anyway regardless of how you do it. “Biologically male/female” is basically impossible to define without also excluding some people that were born into each category. They’re fundamentally useless terms that don’t actually convey anything meaningful…

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        There’s an info graphic somewhere with like 40+ variants and how they manifest