• a_gee_dizzle
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    3 days ago

    Yes, democratically. He was elected democratically twice. If you deny that Trump was elected democratically then you’re no better than the Trumpies who say Biden stole the 2020 election. And you think shilling for delusional conspiracies like that is going to make you look any better from an outsiders perspective? It doesn’t.

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      3 days ago

      The US system is not democratic. I’m sorry if you think the existence of the electoral college is a “delusional conspiracy.”

      Also sorry that you fell for US propaganda.

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          Were the votes tampered with? Could people have voted for someone other than Trump? No?

          Is that enough for a system to be considered democratic?

          Honestly so exhausting dealing with Americans like you. You’re like children. You fuck everything up and then blame someone else.

          It’s wild how you can just change objective facts about the world by declaring the person saying them cringe.

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            3 days ago

            Is that enough for a system to be considered democratic?

            It’s democratic enough for the rest of the world to hold Americans responsible for bringing Trump into power.

            It’s wild how you can just change objective facts about the world by declaring the person saying them cringe.

            Stop with the cope and just admit that the American people fucked up. Your unwillingness to do that is what’s cringe.

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              It literally doesn’t matter if I’m cringe. That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time. Me being cringe does not alter the reality of what the US political system is. The fact that you can’t seem to comprehend that is why I said you’re incapable of viewing things objectively.

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                Reread my message. I said it was cringe to not admit that the American people messed up. I never said you personally were cringe.

                Me being cringe does not alter the reality of what the US political system is.

                Why is it on me, as a non-Americian, to understand the ins and outs of your political system? This point is moat because I don’t give to shits about your political system. You’re right: I don’t understand it. But I also don’t care to. Don’t make your problems my problems. It is typical American arrogance to assume that a nonAmerician should care about your internal politics.

                I care about how your country is impacting the rest of the world. And this was something the American people can and should be held responsible for, because they could have prevented it literally by doing anything other than voting en masse for a pedophile to lead your country.

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                  Why is it on me, as a non-Americian, to understand the ins and outs of your political system?

                  Because you’re making assertions about it. If you try to tell people that things are a certain way and that they’re wrong if they claim otherwise, then it’s on you to actually be informed about the thing you’re talking about.

                  Stop trying to assert that the US political system is democratic and I’ll stop giving you pushback.

                  This point is moat because I don’t give to shits about your political system. You’re right: I don’t understand it. But I also don’t care to. Don’t make your problems my problems. It is typical American arrogance

                  “Typical American arrogance” is proudly proclaiming your ignorance while asserting that people with direct experience with a subject are wrong about it. You have such an American mindset.

                  I care about how your country is impacting the rest of the world. And this was something the American people can and should be held responsible for

                  I have not claimed otherwise.

                  Again, you’re incapable of looking at the things objectively. I have absolutely no interest in defending the American people. I do have an interest in asserting the objective reality that the US political system is undemocratic trash. The problem is that you can’t separate those two questions.

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                    3 days ago

                    Because you’re making assertions about it

                    My only assertion is a very simple one: Trump wouldn’t have won if the American people didn’t vote for him en masse. Am I wrong about that?