• GrindingGears
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    The right are barely in the minority though. And shouting from the rooftops that you are for unabashed socialism, is a dangerous move. You have entire generations of people still voting in this country, with decades of fear about socialism and the Soviet Union, from a generation long cold war.

    You cling onto this strategy, you are riding pine all the way to near zero. This is why I still doubt the NDPs capability to lead. They can’t even seem to get their own ships sailing in the same direction internally, how can we realistically expect them to navigate the treacherous geopolitical landscape of current times? This is a serious question.

    It’s going to be us picking between giant douche and turd sandwich for another generation I fear. Because the fringe just cannot quit being fringe.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      21 hours ago

      The right is doing a lot better than the left both in the US and Canada right now. And frankly, being afraid to actually state what you believe in means you don’t really believe in it. This whole notion that people have to be tricked into socialism is fundamentally based on dishonesty. Yes, there’s been lots of propaganda that older generation buy into. It doesn’t really work for younger people who are today suffering under capitalism.

      We already saw what trying to be libs lite did to NDP. Being an unapologetically socialist party for the working class is the only way it can be saved. I don’t expect NDP to get their act together by next election, but I don’t think elections are the right thing to focus on in the first place. What the party should be focusing on is promoting socialist ideology and building a movement. There needs to be an education process where shared understanding is created, and people become committed to the idea for the long haul. It’s not a single event like an election, it’s a long gruelling process that will take years.

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        17 hours ago

        How is the right doing better than the left right now? The liberals are one seat from a majority. Most indications are that if they snapped an election, they would win a majority (and perhaps a pretty sizable one). Hence why you haven’t seen the cons trigger it. The NDP are still irrelevant and not even an official party in any of these scenarios, so I’m just not sure what sort of hope you guys are clinging onto here. Going more left is also a pretty weird way to go here, and won’t gain the wins that you have imagined they will, but hey go knock yourselves out if you must.

        Or, I mean, the winning strategy could be ok sure, like lean a bit to the left. That’s all good and everything. But get cohesive, get aligned, get a clear platform built. A realistic one. Then basically sit tight for a few years. The world’s going to have it’s moment with its current situation, this too shall pass, and basically be ready for that timeline and that moment. Focus on achievable gains, but be ready to strike on a shorter timeframe should the scenario present itself. But that’s going to take some bold leadership, because the current shape of the NDP, both with star power and it’s financial position, isn’t great. The NDP doesn’t really want the election right now that you think they would.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          The conservative right is literally the opposition party to the libs right now, and narrowly lost the election. It sounds like you don’t actually understand the definition of the left since you appear to think that liberals are on the left. They are a right wing capitalist party representing the interests of the oligarchs.

          Liberalism consists of two main parts. First is political liberalism which focuses on wholesome ideas such as individual freedoms and democracy. Second is economic liberalism which centers around free markets, private property, and wealth accumulation. These two aspects form a contradiction. Political liberalism purports to support everyone’s freedom, while economic liberalism enshrines private property rights as sacred in laws and constitutions, effectively removing them from political debate.

          As a result, liberalism justifies the use of state violence to safeguard property rights, over supporting ordinary people, which contradicts the promises of fairness and equality. Private property is seen as a key part of individual freedom under liberalism, and this provides the foundational justification for the rich to keep their wealth while ignoring the needs of everyone else. Thus, the talk of freedom and democracy ends up being nothing more than a fig leaf to provide cover for justifying capitalist relations.

          The left doesn’t even have a party right now.