WHO warned that the reported number of cases and deaths do not reflect the true numbers. Read more at straitstimes.com.

  • Tavarin
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    Of Bioanalytical Chemistry.

    To enforce quarantines

    By shooting people? If you’re not going to shoot people, you don’t need bullets. So again, you are the one who implied we should be killing people to stop covid.

    And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.

    You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc… All of whom could have asympotmatic covid.

    Doesn’t matter if you have capitalism or socialism, when covid was initially spreading we had no easy way to test for it (we were stuck using PCR, which is time consuming and uses lots of resources), and we didn’t have a vaccine because it wasn’t invented yet.

    Do you think socialism can just magically make an invention appear immediately, and magically make the necessary resources to make it show up?

    And whose making these things? Oh, workers, who might have covid, and might spread it to each other.

    There is no eliminating airborne illnesses, and I don’t know how you still don’t get that?

    • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Of [blah balh blah]

      You should go back to school and get a doctorate in shutting the fuck up.

      By shooting people?

      If they break quarantine. Christ. Read. That does not say as you keep insinuating “shoot everyone right away”.

      And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.

      Hazmat suits, testing.

      You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc…

      Hazmat suits, testing, hazard pay.

      There is no eliminating airborne illnesses

      Not if you keep insisting your haircuts are more important than human lives.

      • Tavarin
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        10 months ago

        Yes, your incredible maturity is so convincing right now, it’s making me fully agree with your baseless and incorrect viewpoint.

        So you’re a-ok with killing people? Not cool to me, I’m pretty against shooting people. And to stop such a highly transmissible airborne illness, you would have to kill everyone eventually, because it can easily spread through quarantine through ventilation systems.

        And where are we going to get enough hazmat suits and testing equipment? They do have to be made you know.

        keep insisting your haircuts are more important than human lives.

        You’re the one insisting we shoot people, I think you’re the one who doesn’t value human lives here.

        You also want to kill off cats, deer, muskelids, bats, and many other animals, because no one is going to test every wild animal out there, it would be logistically impossible.

        • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          10 months ago

          Isn’t all this being wrong in my notifications taking away from your studies?

          I hear DeVry has a great program in your field.

          So you’re a-ok with killing people? Not cool to me

          Yes. Yes the fuck it is. You are continuously advocating for the deaths of vulnerable populations by not controlling covid.

          We are both advocating for killing people*, we just disagree on who and how many.
          You want far more people dead, and without the option to just not spread plague to avoid it.

          *although if people stay home like they’re supposed to I’M not necessarily arguing for killing anyone unlike you.

          you’re the one who doesn’t value human lives

          I’d ask how many people you’re ok with covid taking to keep Arby open for a few weeks, but you’d deflect like you’ve been doing so I won’t.

          • Tavarin
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            10 months ago

            It’s Sunday, I do research Monday to Friday.

            Are you aware of how immature you are? Because it is staggering, though somewhat entertaining. Like talking to an uneducated pre-teen.

            And no, it’s not just a few weeks, it was never going to be just a few weeks. China went into hardcore, seal people in their condos lockdown for months, and covid didn’t go away.

            Covid can remain active in apartments and condo buildings for months, spreading between units through ventilation.

            There was a nursing home near me that had full lockdown between floors of the building, no one interacted with anyone from different floors, yet covid managed to spread between the floors, because it’s airborne.

            Hell, I did hardcore lockdown for 4 months, didn’t see anyone other than my girlfriend I live with. Covid managed to survive through that, and keep spreading.

            Lockdowns do not work to eliminate covid, they can only slow it down, but covid was always here to stay.

            • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              10 months ago

              We never did a lockdown. No one did.

              People kept getting haircuts and spreading plague on purpose (once they learned what populations bore the brunt of deaths).

              You and your girlfriend sending a doordasher to a grocery store where people refuse to mask is not “a hardcore lockdown”.

              We absolutely could have stopped this, people like you just didn’t want it stopped and now (as you currently are) are back-justifying that there was nothing we could have done anyway to justify “let 'er rip” thinking.

              • Tavarin
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                10 months ago

                My city did the longest lockdown in the world, and it was a proper lockdown. No travel, no going out except for groceries and medication, all industries shut down.

                doordasher to a grocery store

                How exactly do you expect people to eat during your magical full-lockdown?

                And once again, covid spreads through the air, which means it can move from condo unit to condo unit and spread, even in a full weld the doors shut lockdown. Unless you want to cut off people’s air and have them all suffocate I guess.

                Seriously, how does your lockdown actually work, logistically? To allow people to actually survive it, while also doing it for long enough to actually eliminate covid, which would take several months due to inter-unit spread.

                • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  My city did the longest lockdown.

                  Are we discussing a city-wide pandemic, or a global one? Remind me.

                  How exactly do you expect people to eat during your magical full-lockdown?

                  As I mentioned in another reply food deliveries, just not by private individuals forced to wade through anti-masker air.

                  covid spreads through the air, which means it can move from condo unit to condo unit and spread

                  HVAC technology exists, and I also advocate all buildings air systems be upgraded (at gun point, by people in hazmat suits receiving hazard pay).

                  The technology and resources exist to fight this problem, just not the political will.

                  while also doing it for long enough to actually eliminate covid

                  So you admit it is theoretically possible.

                  • Tavarin
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    10 months ago

                    Given my province city didn’t allow people in, and city stayed lockdown for 4 months, yet local covid kept on chugging along, shows that 2 weeks is not enough even if done globally.

                    So people are out delivering food? That means people are out growing food, transporting food, preparing food, etc… That’s a lot of people, and that’s just in the food industry.

                    Where are we going to get all those hazmat suits? We didn’t have all that many pre-pandemic, so we need to make them to have enough for everyone who needs to go out. So we now have lots of people in factories making hazmat suits.

                    Also who is training people on the proper use of hazmat suits? Improperly used hazmats don’t work, so people need to be trained and periodically inspected on their proper use.

                    Who is building the HVACs? Who is mining the resources required to go into making them? Who is smelting and preparing those resources? Who is transporting those resources? Seems like a lot of people need to be working to make this happen.

                    And again you have millions of gun totting hazmat wearing quarantine police running around. Are they acting perfectly, and not asymptomatically spreading it when they get lazy?

                    All of this would take years to implement, retorfitting every single building with new HVAC systems would take years. Are you prepared to full lockdown for literal years?

                    And again, you still have to kill a very large chunk of the wild animal and pet population as well. Good luck finding and hunting down billions of deer and cats among other animals.

                    So no, it isn’t in any way theoretically possible.