That’s one of those general election issues where they only pull out of storage just before the general election. Like gay rights, abortion, wages. And fold them up neatly and stow them away until the next general election.

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    How do some folks get so passionate about politics, but still know nothing about how their own government works?

    Only half the Democrats in the House supported it, so it was never going to pass. Not unless more than half of Republicans decided to rebel against their own party and join Progressives. And that’s not even including the Senate vote.

    The only way Medicare for All is ever going to happen, is if every single Democrat in the House AND the Senate all unanimously vote for it…while they have control of BOTH houses…and a president in office that isn’t going to veto it.

    Anything less than that, and all this bellyaching about holding a vote on it, is literally just a waste of time.

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      Your comment illustrates the dysfunction of government allowed by voters. Voters view politicians as leaders and not public servants that deserve to lose their jobs if they refuse to listen to their constituents.

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        That would be great if true.

        The only time you get a say is in the primary. After that, with FPTP voting, you only get to vote against the worst candidate. By that point, there’s no improving the selection.

        And they don’t hold primaries for incumbents.

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        Ummm, no dude. This is just civics if you don’t understand the mechanics behind passing legislation, you will never get what you want. You seem to think there’s some magical element involved, where legislation should automatically match public opinion…but the truth is, you have to actually run candidates that share your opinion to represent you in Congress, in order for them to vote the way you want them to.

        If you aren’t willing to do the work to make government match your expectations, then you shouldn’t be surprised when things don’t go your way. It’s literally the definition of insanity to expect different outcomes, without altering any of the variables.

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            smh. There’s that magical thinking I was talking about.

            Unless you’re planning on starting a brand new country somewhere else, then you have to use the system that actually exists. Or are you one of those psychopaths that thinks they’re going to solve everything in the world just by murdering millions of people who disagree with you?

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                If you don’t organize, it never will. That’s why it’s important to understand how the system works, so that you can make it work to your advantage.

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              Do you know what government powdered milk tastes like? What it feels like to put back food because you don’t have enough food stamps? I’m not talking EBT, I’m talking the actual paper stamps. Do you know what it’s like as a child watching your mother cry because they don’t know if there’s gonna be money for rent? The struggles I and my family faced 50 years ago are still being felt by families with the exact same struggles today. In that same time there have been 24 years of Democrats in office and not a god damned thing has changed except now the struggle is harder. So you can fuck off with that ‘have never known hard times’ bullshit. It’s shitlibs like yourself that are comfortable and are willingly blind to the privileges you hold under the status quo despite it causing harm to the working class.