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    The problem is, this will only give credence to the idea that opposition to Israel is solely based on antisemitism. Which is exactly what Israel wants people to believe.

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      • Tucker Carlson is correct in this regard
      • Tucker Carlson can fuck right off
      • Antisemitism is disgusting and on the rise
      • Zionists and genocide appologists can fuck right off

      None of these statements are in conflict with each other.

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        No, but Zionists support antisemites because it both discredits their opposition and also makes Jews feel unsafe outside of Israel.

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        A few more bullets.

        • The anti-zionist ticket will win in 2028; and Tucker is not the only rightwing figure to have noticed this (see: Candice Owens)

        • The leadership, and mainstream of the Democratic party still support Zionism (liberal Zionism)

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          The anti-zionist ticket will win in 2028

          What make you so sure about this?

          The leadership, and mainstream of the Democratic party still support Zionism (liberal Zionism)

          The leadership, and mainstream of the Democratic party still support occupation and reject Palestinians rights like having an army to defend itself

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            What make you so sure about this?

            There are a multitude of reasons. The Democrats losing the upper Midwest based on their support for Zionism in 2024 (it was obvious that they would lose if they kept supporting Israel as early as 2023). Zohran Mamdani running as an unabashed anti-zionist, defeating both the Republican and Democratic establishment in the process. And before our very eyes, even Tucker Carlson sees the writing on the wall with regards to how unpopular Israel/ Zionism are.

            As a political agent, we should trust the Tucker Carlsons of the world to operate in their own best interest, which is precisely why we should appreciate what we’re seeing in this manner. The Tucker Carlsons (on the right, I put Candice Owens, Charlie Kirk, Bannon, and even Trump in this same camp, and on the left Bernie, Mamdani, maybe Pritzker, Sam Seder, maybe I can think of some more from the left-wing commentariate) of the world have proven to be incredibly robust against political wind. The point is that they’ve got a very good read on where things are at and where things will go. You don’t have to agree with them to recognize that they excel at reading the on the ground situation in politics.

            Tucker has basically been anti-Trump for as long as Trump’s been around. And they’ve been able to withstand the counter pressure. This is because, even if you and I disagree with them, their ability to read the tea-leaves, again, for their own cynical self interest, is actually quite good. These agents are good at predicting where voters are at, where voters will go, and what needs to be said to get them to come along with you.

            This is one of many legs of support, but since this is more relevant to the post, I’m keeping it focused on this. However you could make the same argument based on recent elections, the 2024 election, polling, what content is being generated. Its very obvious how things are shaping up.

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              Mainstream democrats still refuse to use the term occupation and genocide and didn’t oppose Trump surrender plan for Gaza. They did not change a goddamn thing about their position they just hide it better .

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                Sure?

                I didn’t suggest they had changed their position. I’ve repeatedly made the argument they lost the election by not changing their position.

                I’m making the argument that whomever takes and holds the anti-Israel/ anti-Zionist lane will win the election. I think Tucker also sees this, and is triangulating for a run.

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                  I’m making the argument that whomever takes and holds the anti-Israel/ anti-Zionist lane will win the election.

                  And who are those democrats exactly who will be an potential anti-zinoism candidate? Name some

                  Even many of the non establishment democrats are already sabotaging the other anti Zionist politicians like Chi Osse

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                    I’m not sure who you think you arguing with or what you think you are arguing about. I didn’t say there was an antizionist candidate running nationally among Democrats. Although I think it’s interesting that you would project that argument. I think there should be and while it’s early, it’s also obvious that Newsom and Pritzker will be running. And evidentiarilly, we seen that progressive grassroots campaigns are far more effective if the begin running very early, with often double the standard run time to get going as a traditional campaign.

                    Who, nationally, do you think would run, as a Democrat in this lane? It’s been difficult to get any popular Democrats to be unabashedly anti Zionist, largely because of Jefferies, Schumer, and AIPAC. Just ask Corey Bush or Jamaal Bowman about that.

                    But who would you suggest? One name I can think of is Jon Stewart, although I don’t think they would consider themselves explicitly an anti Zionist.

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      As long as we reminds people that is is a white supremacist it’s fine. Also with people like Tuck or without them Zionists will always claim everybody is antisemite