I wrote in this post that I’m uncomfortaple to argue “genetical[ly] or genealogical[ly]” why people “belong” in some place or another. I think that’s ethno-nationalist reasoning and a “weapon of the enemy” reasoning applies. Even if it’s in favour of Palestinians.

But apparently, that’s “settler-colonialist apologism” for dessalines. Ethno-nationalism is ok if it’s targeting “the right” people, I guess. /s

I think the reasoning of the comment removal is bollocks. Just because I don’t want to argue why someone “belongs” someplace because of their genes, I’m not all of a sudden in favour of settler-colonialism.

    • mrdown@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      You’re just trying to stoke hatred because you want this conflict to continue forever. Your petty internet arguments mean more to you than human life.

      The one who believe in a one state solution is the one who spread hatred and you who are justifying an supremacist and settler colonialist ideology is not . You are really a big idiot . My arguments are valid otherwise you would addressed them directly but you keep deflecting

      Why else would you be using terms like “Zionist”, “colonizer”

      I use the term Zionists because they are Zionists based on Herzl definition, i use the word colonizer because Israel is colonizing the west bank and occupying Gaza .

      The fact that Palestinians are constantly losing in these wars doesn’t sway you at all because Palestinians dying means more grievance and more promoting violence.

      Palestinians are resisting a 58 goodman year of occupation yet you blame them rather than Israel the occupier who is committing genocide and you have the audacity to say that i don’t care about the Palestinians

      Right of return is dead now, Hamas killed it. At this point it’s about even odds on whether there will ever be a Palestinian state. This is what your hatred of “Zionists” has accomplished.

      It is Israel who ethnically cleansing Palestinians to begin which and made sure that they would not return so no it was Israel who killed the right to return .It is Israel who killed the two state solution by occupying the west bank and Gaza in 67, it is Israel who killed the two state solution by never ending the settlements expansion . There is no Palestinians state because the whole world ignored Israel settler colonialism fir 7 decades

      You shamelessly compare Palestinians to Germans when it is Israel who is acting like Nazi Germany, it is Netanyahu who is acting like Hitler. The cycle of hatred was started by Israel and will end by Israel abandoning their supremacist ideology and their intention to exterminate the Palestinians

      Do you value your hatred of Jews (fuck this “Zionist” bullshit, we all know what you mean) more than the lives of Palestinians?

      You also have the audacity to call me an antisemite, should i remind you that Zionists killed many jews during their terrorists attacks before the creation of Israel. Should i remind you that some holocaust survivors is calling what happen in Gaza a genocide?

      I am not an antisemite but you are a genocide and settler colonialism apologist

        • mrdown@lemmy.world
          3·
          20 days ago

          What is you consider “Zionism” anyway? Wanting a Jewish state to continue to exist? I

          Zionism the creation of a Jewish majority state on a land already inhabited. Zionists are those who are justifying the forcing of a state on the local population also known as the Palestinians in 48. I do not call for ethnic cleansing of anybody unlike Zionist

          If you hate Zionism that means you’re for ethnic cleansing of Jews from a region because they don’t fit with your blood and soil inspired vision for the region.

          This the terrible lie you pro settler colonialism and genocide supporters use. Your disgusting and irresponsible accusations of anybody against a supremacist and political ideology of being antisemite only hurt innocent jews and also advocating for the loss of jobs of many anti genocide and occupation people

          It’s your side that is acting like the mustaches guy. You shamelessly still comparing Palestinians and people believing in their freedom to be Hitler like while it is Israel who is acting like Nazi Germany

          Now we have European countries declaring a Palestine when there’s no actual leadership of Palestine.

          The Palestinian authority respected the term of the Oslo accords and Israel is the one who ignored it by building illegal settlements, arming the settlers to attack west bankers then protect them . So they could lead temporarily Palestine till Israel end occupation then an election should be done

          Yup, the goal is European colonialism 2.0. Maybe it’s better than Iranian colonialism because that’s what Hamas was.

          The British alone are responsible of between 50 and 100 millions death in India alone. Iran colonialism is definitely not worse than European colonialism . Israel atrocities over 77 years of oppression is definitely worse than any atrocity Hamas did yet you are associating more responsibility to the oppressed over the oppressor

          But you’re totally cool with colonialism as long as the colonizers are against Israel

          Again i support a one democratic state with equal rights for everybody. I do not support any colonialism. It’s you who do

          But unlike the Iranian colonizers of Palestine who are willing to send wave after wave of Arabs into the meat grinder to servertheir interests

          Iranian colonialism didn’t kill ten thousands of people. 83% of the killed in Gaza are civilians

          You keep accusing me of spreading hatred when it’s only you who does while acting like you care about the innocent civilians.

          You should go to reddit, your propaganda won’t works on lemmy

            • mrdown@lemmy.world
              3·
              20 days ago

              Yeah the Jews living there now were born there

              Stop being disingenuous. I told you a million time I don’t talk about current Israelis or the jews who was living in Palestine before the Zionist movement. I should remind you that there is 2 millions non jews in Israel so why do you keep talking about jews in general when we are talking about Israel as a state occupying another and Zionism as a political movement

              Removing people from where they were born because they don’t match up to the ethnicity you approve of living in at place is called ethnic cleansing. Doing so because of something in a history book is creating a blood and soil narrative. So you’re for ethnic cleansing of Jews and you believe blood and soil rhetoric. Yeah, sure you’re not antisemitic at all!

              I told you a million time that no Israeli should be displaced yet you keep lying about me advocating for ethnic cleansing , i never did and never will

              You really think Hamas believes in freedom? The group that refuses to hold elections and tortures any Palestinian that speaks out against them believes in freedom? You need to get out of your information silo a little bit methinks.

              Again you keep accusing me of thing I never say. Hamas committed war crimes everybody know about it now let’s back to the topic Israel is the occupier who committed Hamas like atrocities for 77 years

              The comparison to Germany is apt. It was obvious Germany was going to lose the war long before VE day. Much like it’s obvious now Hamas is going to lose. So why not just release the hostages? The only thing both the Nazis and Hamas accomplished by continuing to fight a losing war was getting a lot more people killed.

              Germany was the oppressor, Israel is the oppressor. Nazis committed a genocide, Israel is committing a genocide. So the real comparison is between Israel and Nazi Germany. Unlike you who justify the genocide, i will never do it

              Personally I want the hostages freed, and Hamas brought to justice.

              I want the hostages freed , Israel doesn’t . Israeli themselves say it not me , not anti occupation people . I was Hamas brought to the justice but I also want Israel to be brough in justice

              I want to see Palestinians move past the hatred and find some good leadership so a Palestinian state that peacefully co-exists with Israel to is possible.

              If you really wanted peace you would not justify genocide, you would ask Israel to end occupation so the cycle of hatred end

              Just send more Palestinians into the meat grinder because you want to make “Israel bad” memes forever.

              Israel is committing the murder which you are fine with it. Me , everything i write show that i do not support any murder

                • mrdown@lemmy.world
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                  19 days ago

                  Again i don’t support a single jews to be displaced , you are the one who is supporting the occupier committing a ethnic cleansing and genocide . I am also a semite.

                  If you think opposing Zionism is antisemite then you are accusing many jews of being antisemite . If you was alive during Nat Turner revolt you would have argued that slaves should stop hating their owners . If you was alive during Nana Sahib revolt you would have argued that Indians should stop hating their occupiers and you would have justified the British empire massacres. If you was alive during Pontiac’s Rebellion you would have argued that indigenous people of America should have stop hating their occupier and justify the massacres in response of those revolt