I mean, I’m over it. Do what you feel like. It’s clear whatever the future is, this argument we’re having now? Has no part in it. Vote or don’t vote for whoever you want. Feel or don’t feel guilt. I don’t particularly care about the details of how you see it. The time when it might have mattered either way? Is over. Sure, maybe pre-election it was like trying to convince you not to kill the hostage - but the hostage is dead now. Not arguing that battle anymore. It’s irrelevant. You do whatever it is you like, but I’m never, ever, ever going to see the action in any other way, and at this point there’s absolutely ZERO point in discussing otherwise. It’s all academic. The trolley problem stops being a moral quandry when everyone is dead already. If you feel good? Great! You get my unironic and genuine thumbs up. Live your best life, my friend.
I’m not entirely following the thread here because it feels like I’m simultaneously being told that it’s already Game Over but also that only the Democrats can save us.
They’ve shown very clearly the last five years that they have neither the ability nor the interest to do that. If anyone’s going to save the country, it’s not going to be them.
I mean, that’s what OP is saying, but I’m saying it’s too late. The Democrats COULD have prevented what’s happening now, if for no other reason than they wouldn’t have had the balls to attempt it, but that boat has not only sailed, it’s been canonballed, torpedoed, sunk, and converted into a coral reef. There’s absolutely no sense whatsoever in talking to non-voters about it anymore. It’s done. There’s no convincing to be done. If every one of the non-voters said today, “Hey, we’ll vote for the Democrats next time”? Doesn’t matter. We’re still EXACTLY as screwed. So no, I don’t care why someone didn’t vote and I’m not wasting my breath trying to convince them they were wrong. Nobody should. If there is any path forward, it isn’t at the ballot box and it won’t involve people who are happy to sit on the fence. Non-voters are completely irrelevant now. They had power in November and now they don’t. If they want to help in whatever asymmetric BS we’re going to have to pull to just save a modicum of civilization over the next decade, they can choose to do that or not. But their political power as a group, and with it, the value of talking to them? That evaporated half a year ago.
Incredible, it’s like a constant stream of disingenuous mischaracterisation. You’re proving my point far more than you’re dispelling it.
I mean, I’m over it. Do what you feel like. It’s clear whatever the future is, this argument we’re having now? Has no part in it. Vote or don’t vote for whoever you want. Feel or don’t feel guilt. I don’t particularly care about the details of how you see it. The time when it might have mattered either way? Is over. Sure, maybe pre-election it was like trying to convince you not to kill the hostage - but the hostage is dead now. Not arguing that battle anymore. It’s irrelevant. You do whatever it is you like, but I’m never, ever, ever going to see the action in any other way, and at this point there’s absolutely ZERO point in discussing otherwise. It’s all academic. The trolley problem stops being a moral quandry when everyone is dead already. If you feel good? Great! You get my unironic and genuine thumbs up. Live your best life, my friend.
I’m not entirely following the thread here because it feels like I’m simultaneously being told that it’s already Game Over but also that only the Democrats can save us.
They’ve shown very clearly the last five years that they have neither the ability nor the interest to do that. If anyone’s going to save the country, it’s not going to be them.
I mean, that’s what OP is saying, but I’m saying it’s too late. The Democrats COULD have prevented what’s happening now, if for no other reason than they wouldn’t have had the balls to attempt it, but that boat has not only sailed, it’s been canonballed, torpedoed, sunk, and converted into a coral reef. There’s absolutely no sense whatsoever in talking to non-voters about it anymore. It’s done. There’s no convincing to be done. If every one of the non-voters said today, “Hey, we’ll vote for the Democrats next time”? Doesn’t matter. We’re still EXACTLY as screwed. So no, I don’t care why someone didn’t vote and I’m not wasting my breath trying to convince them they were wrong. Nobody should. If there is any path forward, it isn’t at the ballot box and it won’t involve people who are happy to sit on the fence. Non-voters are completely irrelevant now. They had power in November and now they don’t. If they want to help in whatever asymmetric BS we’re going to have to pull to just save a modicum of civilization over the next decade, they can choose to do that or not. But their political power as a group, and with it, the value of talking to them? That evaporated half a year ago.