• whoisearth
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    11 months ago

    So sad but at the same time LOfuckingL are people dumb!

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      11 months ago

      They had a 14-year old kid with them. That poor kid didn’t deserve to have been led to his death because of the adults he had no choice but to depend on.

      • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        Are you more angry at the people trying to escape the crazy system than you are at the system that drove them out?

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          Is it a contest? Can’t you be angry at both the system and people endangering their children and that is enough?

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              Humans are not rabbits. What a terrible analogy. I get mad at any human that intentionally endangers their child. I don’t know why you don’t object to child abuse.

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                If you can’t understand the metaphor for what it is, then you’re below the threshold for understanding how a person living under a constant threat of starvation and death might make poor decisions. I think we’re done here. Don’t bother me again.

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          The adult who dragged a kid along was trying to create her own system, which undeniably isolated him, subjected him to suffering, and killed him, so yeah I’m angry at that on his behalf.

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              Well she’s from Colorado springs so I’m going to guess a steady diet of conservative propaganda…

              • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                Loss of community, loss of meaningful labor, American healthcare, probably underpaid, socially outcast, etc… Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

                • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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                  Where are you getting all this information about these hardships she faced? It’s certainly not in the article, so are you just making shit up?

                  • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                    What reality do you live in where you don’t face the same hardships? Maybe your struggles aren’t as extreme, but those threats are always lying in wait to ruin your happy little life.

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              She got that way because you personally didn’t teach her a better way of living. You’re personally responsible for these deaths, including that of the child.

              Why, why would you do this, @TrismegistusMx? Why? Why?

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          Yes, because they died in an incredibly predictable way by going out unprepared and they brought a kid to die with them.

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              Because they were idiots who didn’t realize how they would definitely die in nature without society to protect them.

              • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                Many people die in society as a direct result of the way society is. Are they also idiots, or are you the idiot for judging victims of oppression?

                  • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                    Not true. There are homeless people and homesteaders living in nature all around the globe. If you put most of them in downtown LA, many of them would likely die in a matter of days or weeks. People can acclimate to extreme circumstances if they are given a chance to learn.

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                They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide. They were drowning in one world so they sought refuge in another. There was no happy ending in wait.

                • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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                  They likely would have died in society as well, from poverty, cancer, addiction, or suicide

                  Lol great rational for killing your kid. They could possibly, maybe, die anyway so better just get it over with right? She was an idiot and her stupidity lead to the death of an innocent child.

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                  You seem very eager to justify this tragedy as if it was inevitable, and not the result of very avoidable choices. Are you okay?

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          The same system that provides antibiotics? Have you ever grown food? It’s a lot harder than buying it at the store, even when you include the time spent working at a minimum wage job.

          Nature is brutal and unforgiving, these idiots did not begin to respect it.

          They could never have survived without society to care for them, the proof is that they didn’t.

          • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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            The system that provides soap, food, internet, cops, homelessness, poverty, fentanyl, prisons, slavery, inequality, racism, sex discrimination, poor education, and horrendous working conditions.

            They were ignorant about nature the same way you seem to be ignorant about society. Both of you risk your lives on a daily basis dealing with SYSTEMS you don’t understand.

            It’s just the luck of the draw that you can sit there in high judgement and talk mad shit.

              • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                Not true at all. There are abundant resources in nature, but most people lack the knowledge to make use of them.

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                You make foolish assumptions. I’m a homeowner, a veteran, and a registered nurse. I recognize suffering because I devote every day to helping sufferers. One doesn’t need to be a victim to have empathy.

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          Nobody drove them out. This was a decision she made on her own accord and by her own free will.

          • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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            Her free will to run away from a system she perceived as a threat. Are you saying that you’ve been totally comfortable the last 4 years and never once considered the collapse of the system being a threat to your loved ones?

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              I think there are a lot of threats in the world, I think climate change might also be a threat.

              I don’t stake myself out in the antarctic in response.

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                Your response might be better than theirs, but you could be on the chopping block tomorrow as well. You’re still blaming the oppressed for the conditions set by their oppressors.

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                  You’re gonna need to identify these oppressors if you want anybody to humor this ridiculous argument.

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                    They’re directing action at the top of every hierarchy enforced by violence. If you stop playing stupid you can figure it out for yourself. Many of them are on TV daily advocating for genocide or explaining why kids should starve with a grandfatherly smile. Talk about fucking ridiculous. We can’t have a conversation if you deny reality.

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              Are you saying that you’ve been totally comfortable the last 4 years and never once considered the collapse of the system being a threat to your loved ones?

              Of course I’m not saying that. But I never once thought to myself “Know what would make this situation better? Starving myself and my family in the cold wilderness that none of us are prepared to endure.”

              That thought was something she considered and acted upon. It’s not your fault for having such thoughts, but acting on them is always your fault. Nobody told her “You need to take your family into the mountains, or else”. She did that to herself.

              • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                Ah, so you’re projecting your insecurity on them by taking satisfaction in the idea that their way of coping with the collapse of the system got them killed, so you’re obviously more in control. If you get cancer from corporate pollution and poor food quality, there’s nothing you could have done. If you get hit by a car, it’s luck of the draw. If a Republican president outlaws your way of life, that’s just the way it is. But since they’re dead, they were obviously at fault.

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                    “Know what would make this situation better? Starving myself and my family in the cold wilderness that none of us are prepared to endure.” Your strawman arguments know your motivations better than you do.

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          There is no “system” that drove them out. This was a choice they made. A bad one.

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            How would they prepare for economic collapse and the rise of fascism? They took a risk, but they might have just accelerated the inevitable.

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              They didn’t take a risk. Taking a risk means preparing for situations and dealing with them as they come up, and what happens happens. This lady prepared nothing. This is more like resting in the shade of the anvil suspended by twine in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. She walked out into the woods to die and just didn’t know it. It’s an awful story, she obviously didn’t feel she had options, but a little bit of reading or video would show a person very quickly that they needed more preparation than the deceased put in to have any hope it surviving an alpine winter.

              Edit: grammar

              • TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world
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                Leaving or not leaving your bed is a risk. Preparation has nothing to do with it. They obviously weren’t prepared for living in late-stage capitalism either. You’re falling victim to the just-world fallacy.