• Arkouda
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    18 hours ago

    The reason I brought up the countries you aren’t willing to talk about is because the parallels are important. What is happening in Israel is no different than any of those other countries, and the “reason” you are looking for is simple and you seem to want it to be complicated. It isn’t.

    Whether it is Russia, Israel, North Korea, China, USA, Iran, or any other hostile nation is unimportant and they are all the same when boiled down. You can claim it is entrenched in Russians, but I wonder why you don’t make the same claim for the other countries that are just as entrenched in their beliefs. Modern Israelis and Palestinians included.

    Radicalized populations don’t just appear out of thin air, requiring intense propaganda and violence to work. There isn’t anything more to understand that the narrative is what it is, and it is repeated ad nauseam by ignorant populations because they think it will keep them safe. They don’t care what you or the “world” thinks of them when they believe they are in an existential crisis.

    • Skiluros@sh.itjust.works
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      17 hours ago

      Whether it is Russia, Israel, North Korea, China, USA, Iran, or any other hostile nation is unimportant and they are all the same when boiled down. You can claim it is entrenched in Russians, but I wonder why you don’t make the same claim for the other countries that are just as entrenched in their beliefs. Modern Israelis and Palestinians included.

      I don’t feel that I know enough about the other countries to make claims (excluding US where I have lived and travelled extensively, but I want to avoid bringing in US for now).

      I would like to learn more about the polemical narratives of different Israeli factions. For example, while a strong majority of russians are clearly supportive of genocidal imperialism, they also claim that they don’t hate Ukrainians and it’s all because of NATO and Nazis and some other gibberish. And there is much more to it; imperialist revanchism, victimhood narratives, the notion of the “mysterious russian soul” etc.

      I am just curious what the framing is in Israel and how local factions approach statements by Smotrich. For example, imperialist, great power revanchism doesn’t seem to be a relevant narrative for Israel.

      I guess I should just start a post in r/Israel (assuming there is no equivalent on Lemmy). Although they might just immediately ban me.