Guessed as much with the wave of censorship many people, including myself, noticed and shared, pretty much exclusively to anti-MAGA opinions, and regardless of them being constructive and objective.
That, and the increase in bot activity in european and canadian subreddits, to the point it felt there were more pro-MAGA’s demotivating and belittling people trying to make a change, than actual europeans or canadians.
It’s one thing to not agree with my opinion, it’s a-ok with me and everyone has a right to it. I even agree with moderating extreme and violent statements when necessary. It’s another thing entirely to censor my opinion because you don’t like it. And on a forum like Reddit that’s inadmissible.
Nuked my account, changed to Lemmy and never looked back. And I’m happy for it. If you can’t take my opinion without trying to take my voice away I’ll just leave you alone in your echo chamber.
You DO realize that lemmy has even fewer protections against bots and no vetting of instance owners (or even mods on those instances), at all, right? The big difference is that there won’t be a news post about “special interests” controlling discourse on here.
If instance owners do not want to vet their users behavior if other instances speak up, the instance that is misbehaving gets defederated from the rest. That’s the power of federated services.
And all of that is super easy to detect and assumes that the majority of major instance owners are actively fighting this. Just like how free market capitalism ensures everyone is happy and satisfied.
This is not a simple problem to solve. It was a problem in the days of message boards, a problem in the days of digg/reddit, and is still a problem today.
Understand the risks and dangers of what you use rather than just assuming things will be ideologically pure.
Further, since instance owners are just a username…
If my good admin got black bagged and replaced by someone else with access to her accounts… How long would it be before I noticed? What if she was pressured or threatened with death if she didn’t comply? Many ways to ruin otherwise good people.
Hell. How do you know they were ever “good” to begin with? We have seen an increasing trend in long cons in open source projects and social media and the like.
Especially when most discourse is largely indistinguishable from AI anyway. Just make a vague non sequitor that aligns with the politics of the audience and everyone cheers.
Yeah, I ran into the same issues. Don’t try and have any kind of opinion that isn’t the one echoing throughout the comments. The mods can’t even follow their own damned rules.
There are instances of heavy-handed mod and admin actions here, but they are often held to account, generally on [email protected]. Moderation disputes often end up discussed from a third party perspective on [email protected].
It is an echo chamber here too, but I have seen more often that opinions against the “narrative” getting -10 or lower but not censored. Some double down, are flamebaiting or downvote farming for unknown reasons, but there are times when you can see a genuine attempt at understanding and discussion from both parties. Over 7 years on Reddit (2016-2023), I can count how many times that happened on one hand, while on Lemmy, it’s infrequent but it happens a lot more than that.
Guessed as much with the wave of censorship many people, including myself, noticed and shared, pretty much exclusively to anti-MAGA opinions, and regardless of them being constructive and objective.
That, and the increase in bot activity in european and canadian subreddits, to the point it felt there were more pro-MAGA’s demotivating and belittling people trying to make a change, than actual europeans or canadians.
It’s one thing to not agree with my opinion, it’s a-ok with me and everyone has a right to it. I even agree with moderating extreme and violent statements when necessary. It’s another thing entirely to censor my opinion because you don’t like it. And on a forum like Reddit that’s inadmissible.
Nuked my account, changed to Lemmy and never looked back. And I’m happy for it. If you can’t take my opinion without trying to take my voice away I’ll just leave you alone in your echo chamber.
While I obviously support and use lemmy:
You DO realize that lemmy has even fewer protections against bots and no vetting of instance owners (or even mods on those instances), at all, right? The big difference is that there won’t be a news post about “special interests” controlling discourse on here.
If instance owners do not want to vet their users behavior if other instances speak up, the instance that is misbehaving gets defederated from the rest. That’s the power of federated services.
And all of that is super easy to detect and assumes that the majority of major instance owners are actively fighting this. Just like how free market capitalism ensures everyone is happy and satisfied.
This is not a simple problem to solve. It was a problem in the days of message boards, a problem in the days of digg/reddit, and is still a problem today.
Understand the risks and dangers of what you use rather than just assuming things will be ideologically pure.
Further, since instance owners are just a username…
If my good admin got black bagged and replaced by someone else with access to her accounts… How long would it be before I noticed? What if she was pressured or threatened with death if she didn’t comply? Many ways to ruin otherwise good people.
Hell. How do you know they were ever “good” to begin with? We have seen an increasing trend in long cons in open source projects and social media and the like.
Especially when most discourse is largely indistinguishable from AI anyway. Just make a vague non sequitor that aligns with the politics of the audience and everyone cheers.
I disagree. While small bot attacks won’t ever be detected, a large-scale manipulation of votes would be obvious and easily countered
Yeah, I ran into the same issues. Don’t try and have any kind of opinion that isn’t the one echoing throughout the comments. The mods can’t even follow their own damned rules.
Glad you are here!
There are instances of heavy-handed mod and admin actions here, but they are often held to account, generally on [email protected]. Moderation disputes often end up discussed from a third party perspective on [email protected].
It is an echo chamber here too, but I have seen more often that opinions against the “narrative” getting -10 or lower but not censored. Some double down, are flamebaiting or downvote farming for unknown reasons, but there are times when you can see a genuine attempt at understanding and discussion from both parties. Over 7 years on Reddit (2016-2023), I can count how many times that happened on one hand, while on Lemmy, it’s infrequent but it happens a lot more than that.
That’s why I came to lemmy, too
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