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Got to be really deranged to vote for a candidate that ran on a platform of revenge and hate, and there’s at the minimum 70 million of those types of Americans which outnumbers many individual countries. Americans suck and don’t seem nice. Too many bad apples.
If you listen to the conservative messages closely, most of them are crafted in a way that sounds positive, not evil. Then what’s evil and can’t be shown any other way gets framed as the necessary evil to make those positive messages come to be.
The left goes very similar route, speaking of equality, freedom, love, and then coming up with something like “the world would be a better place if rich feared for their lives”. Might be true, but it’s the necessary evil/angry pushback again.
So, it’s not that people on the right chose to be evil, they just grew with one set of convictions that portrays left as unwilling to see the truth or to accept the sacrifices necessary to make the place better overall (in their eyes). And, similarly, far left that wants to overthrow or radically change the system is seen by the right as a massive evil force willing to destroy the country that took centuries to build a system that led people to where they are now - in relative prosperity and peace.
That is not to say they are correct in their thinking - there are massive flaws in their logic - but when you’re committed to a certain worldview, it’s easy to ignore inconsistencies, blinded by the fear of other side destroying it all. This, unfortunately, is what left resorts to as well, while being objectively more true (as in scientifically backed), because in the crazy world of politics emotions go first and reason goes second. Most people never get to cautiously verify and scrutinize the talking points presented to them, after all.
And that’s on them regardless of the reasons, since these are grown ups not children. This constant coddling and excuses for grown ups gets old, since there are people in the same environment who make the choice to not make the same decisions.
Recognizing the larger forces at play is important, but this movement of shifting away personal responsibility is also a detriment.
At this point, I just feel bad for them. Our education system failed them. These “deranged” people you are talking about are our friends, coworkers, and family who have been misled by a system that was built based on slavery. Keep your masses uneducated, and you can do what you want with them.
Some of them woke up before the election (a friend of mine from Arkansas), some were killed by Covid (my coworker from Texas), and some will learn what the unintended consequences are of voting against their best interest (my aunt that used to work for the federal government in Ohio).
But deranged, they are not. However, I do think Hillary was right. Some of them are deplorable, but I don’t know any deplorables.
Peer pressure to conform, toxic masculinity, homophobia, dirty jokes and failure to grasp dark humor, society failing to train boys to mature into men, propaganda news, obsession with team sports, lack of good education, lack of mentorship, etc.
What’s deplorable is the two party system that encourages loyalty over reason. Both parties are sick, but in very different ways, and the right is having a severe episode right now.
The solution isn’t to try to convince everyone to vote for the lesser evil, but to show them how broken the system is and to demand an end to the two party system. That won’t fix everything, but it should at least give people a better way to express their preferences.
Education is not a good defense when you weren’t given any different education than the rest. And it seems like an ideology that they choose even among those more educated and wealthier. This whole only poor uneducated fall for lies is misleading and passes off personal responsibility.
They are the ones who chose despite others not doing so. And even the worst people are capable of moments of kindness, but it doesn’t change who they are at their core and what they choose to believe when they don’t have to selectively filter themselves.
And feel bad for them all you want. It doesn’t change that people around the world are suffering because of their decisions that empowered the people in charge, since they believed they would be the exception.
Education systems across America are very different. Poor (including rural) districts have a very hard time getting decent funding and, therefore, good teachers.
I was fortunate to have a decent public education and parents who trusted the teachers. This is not the case across the board.
Got to be really deranged to vote for a candidate that ran on a platform of revenge and hate, and there’s at the minimum 70 million of those types of Americans which outnumbers many individual countries. Americans suck and don’t seem nice. Too many bad apples.
If you listen to the conservative messages closely, most of them are crafted in a way that sounds positive, not evil. Then what’s evil and can’t be shown any other way gets framed as the necessary evil to make those positive messages come to be.
The left goes very similar route, speaking of equality, freedom, love, and then coming up with something like “the world would be a better place if rich feared for their lives”. Might be true, but it’s the necessary evil/angry pushback again.
So, it’s not that people on the right chose to be evil, they just grew with one set of convictions that portrays left as unwilling to see the truth or to accept the sacrifices necessary to make the place better overall (in their eyes). And, similarly, far left that wants to overthrow or radically change the system is seen by the right as a massive evil force willing to destroy the country that took centuries to build a system that led people to where they are now - in relative prosperity and peace.
That is not to say they are correct in their thinking - there are massive flaws in their logic - but when you’re committed to a certain worldview, it’s easy to ignore inconsistencies, blinded by the fear of other side destroying it all. This, unfortunately, is what left resorts to as well, while being objectively more true (as in scientifically backed), because in the crazy world of politics emotions go first and reason goes second. Most people never get to cautiously verify and scrutinize the talking points presented to them, after all.
And that’s on them regardless of the reasons, since these are grown ups not children. This constant coddling and excuses for grown ups gets old, since there are people in the same environment who make the choice to not make the same decisions.
Recognizing the larger forces at play is important, but this movement of shifting away personal responsibility is also a detriment.
At this point, I just feel bad for them. Our education system failed them. These “deranged” people you are talking about are our friends, coworkers, and family who have been misled by a system that was built based on slavery. Keep your masses uneducated, and you can do what you want with them.
Some of them woke up before the election (a friend of mine from Arkansas), some were killed by Covid (my coworker from Texas), and some will learn what the unintended consequences are of voting against their best interest (my aunt that used to work for the federal government in Ohio).
But deranged, they are not. However, I do think Hillary was right. Some of them are deplorable, but I don’t know any deplorables.
I work blue collar. I know some.
What’s your assessment? Lack of good education? Or something worse?
Peer pressure to conform, toxic masculinity, homophobia, dirty jokes and failure to grasp dark humor, society failing to train boys to mature into men, propaganda news, obsession with team sports, lack of good education, lack of mentorship, etc.
What’s deplorable is the two party system that encourages loyalty over reason. Both parties are sick, but in very different ways, and the right is having a severe episode right now.
The solution isn’t to try to convince everyone to vote for the lesser evil, but to show them how broken the system is and to demand an end to the two party system. That won’t fix everything, but it should at least give people a better way to express their preferences.
This is why I’m seeking public office as an Independent. There is no way to fix it except to do it ourselves.
I may do the same. I’ve considered running to oppose my State Legislature reps, who usually run unopposed.
Education is not a good defense when you weren’t given any different education than the rest. And it seems like an ideology that they choose even among those more educated and wealthier. This whole only poor uneducated fall for lies is misleading and passes off personal responsibility.
They are the ones who chose despite others not doing so. And even the worst people are capable of moments of kindness, but it doesn’t change who they are at their core and what they choose to believe when they don’t have to selectively filter themselves.
And feel bad for them all you want. It doesn’t change that people around the world are suffering because of their decisions that empowered the people in charge, since they believed they would be the exception.
Education systems across America are very different. Poor (including rural) districts have a very hard time getting decent funding and, therefore, good teachers.
I was fortunate to have a decent public education and parents who trusted the teachers. This is not the case across the board.
I just see excuses being made for grown up who are too old to be given the benefit of the doubt like they are toddlers.