I watched a bit of the meeting, not the whole thing, but the bit where Trump and Vance started lashing out at Zelenskyy. There’s been a lot of talk about it on here, and I agree Trump and Vance are big man babies trying to bully Ukraine into an unfavorable deal, but I’m still not clear on how this affects, well, everything I guess. Can someone ELI5?

  • humanspiral
    235·
    22 hours ago

    it has become obvious to the EU leaders that Russia is a hostile power on their doorstep and they are on their own

    That is the sad propaganda fed by US empire used to submit them to Ukraine war they provoked. Ultimate CIA play to fight Russia with 0 US cost, while paying for US weapons. Russia should be looked at as a friend.

    • magnetosphere@fedia.io
      13·
      21 hours ago

      A government that will invade on the flimsiest of pretexts, kidnap your citizens, and lie constantly is anything but a “friend”.

        • Clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          18 hours ago

          You are a useful idiot. Russia could have chosen not to invade a country with whom they had a treaty specifically saying they wouldn’t.

          https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

          The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

          The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and The United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

      • humanspiral
        19·
        20 hours ago

        Obviously war on Russia is the smartest thing ever, and has historically been so successful. So the natural reaction when your main war sponsor backs away is to double down and buy that former sponsor’s weapons while sacrificing social spending to do it. Totally not what a CIA stooge that says “Fuck Europe” would say, and better be a CIA stooge than have a brain cell against suicide.

          • humanspiral
            17·
            17 hours ago

            It is so disturbing and shameful that people are walk around thinking this war was unprovoked. If that can’t be changed, you can still wake up and realize that pursuing failure would be stupid.

              • humanspiral
                13·
                15 hours ago

                It was a joint US/Ukraine provocation for sure. First, Ukraine’s nazification rule started with US coup in 2014, and US controlled IMF sabotaging/making Yanukovych’s EU trade deal impossible. US/west’s insincere participation in Russia’s peaceful attempt to deal with Ukrainian nazification and hostilities towards Russians, the Minsk accords, was an insincere delay tactic to arm Ukraine. The Apartheid laws against ethnic Russians, and US arming of nazi paramilitaries that killed over 5000 in Donbas since 2014. US’s open door NATO policy for Ukraine membership, and plans for missile bases there, together with ramp up of Donbas terrorism and no talks with Russia in early 2022, forced Russia’s SMO. The concerted western propaganda disrespecting Russia on its security is clear direct proof of evil intentions behind the provocation of the “desirable” war, named “a strategic US imperative (for it to continue indefinitely)” as well.

                  • humanspiral
                    15·
                    13 hours ago

                    Reality has a Russian bias. You can go fact check everything I said, instead of the childish “Russia said this so it must be false”