• humanspiral
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    Maybe it’s all Europeans downvoting me. Keep in mind that very extensive US led propaganda is responsible for your hatreds.

    For Canada, and what should be Europeans too, the phantom threat of Russia should not be weighed as a real threat. The direct tangilbe threat of war by US should weigh very heavily.

    If the downvotes are not all from your propaganda handlers, you don’t have time to be too shocked to lose your fantasized hatred (direct cause of your economic and political underperformance/destruction since Ukraine war) in order to deal with the real hatred towards you, that comes from the same assholes who’ve be propagandizing you all along.

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      As a European, I don’t need US propaganda to know what Russia has done to my people and other European peoples not just in recent history but for centuries. Recent Russian actions are simply a continuation of the same. Their excuses change but their actions don’t.

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          I’m not talking about the USSR, I’m talking about Russia before the USSR, as a part of the USSR, and after the USSR. Other than that I can’t comment on anything you’re saying because I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.

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              I see we finally got to the bad faith twisting of your opponent’s words, a favorite tactic of tankies.

              Why is it their favorite? Because there is nothing they can say to make the fact of Russian imperialism seem more palatable, so they have to instead twist the words describing that imperialism into russophobia.

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                Only empire today is US. That a few other countries cling to a sphere of influence, and are capable of resisting US led demonism against them does not make them empires. The real tankies,today, are those who cheer US imperialism.

                But back to Canada, understanding the US is coming for them, requires a wake up call to prevent. Our European “friends” that we need to share their hatred above our survival is an “interesting expression” of friendship.

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                  Just because the US “demonizes” some countries, as you put it, does not mean that there are no legitimate reasons for opposing the influence of those countries. That is not hatred, that is realism.

                  Ignoring the bad actors in the world and letting them have their way will not make the world a better place, no matter how much those bad actors think they have “a right” to “be respected” or whatever line they’re peddling this time. Yes, that includes both the current Russian and US administrations.

                  I’m done with this conversation, I have better things to do with the rest of my Sunday.

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                    Just because the US “demonizes” some countries, as you put it, does not mean that there are no legitimate reasons for opposing the influence of those countries. That is not hatred, that is realism.

                    Russia only asks of Ukraine not to join NATO, and host US missile bases, and to stop being hateful. If US supported French supremacists in Switzerland to exterminate their German population then point missiles at Germany, should Germany do anything? Object at all? All US allies siding with the US on such diminishment would declare “Germany the bad actor”. Resentment against “Former German regimes” would have nothing related to current hatred/propaganda against Germany. The world of US sycophancy means nothing is real anymore.

                    A Canadian toddler should understand that a country that has never threatened us makes a better friend/no longer enemy status than a current enemy that has them as enemy status.

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          “US bad” does not mean “Russia good”.

          “US bad” and “Russia bad” can both be true simultaneously. Didn’t Russia want a multipolar world? How about we the sane countries form another pole?

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            A multipolar world is one where countries outside of US get a say. Basic respect for Russia instead of demonic anti-human diminishment goals of pretending you can create a civil war there is multipolarism. That Canada and other former NATO colonies form a “shared values” block is a terrific idea. That US be favoured over Russia is a bad idea, without giving Russia all of the same authority over Canada that US currently holds. Choosing independence is right path for Canada. Not finding a new slave master.

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          Well you do make a point, except for the fact that you support teaming up with Russia.

          So I think you just thought a bit too much about it and lost track of morals and ideals.

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            morals and ideals.

            Shitting on Russia is popular propaganda, that “we” always believe because we’ve always shit on Russia (except perhaps when Yeltsin was giving the country away to US backed oligarchs). Every lie is true because we unquestionably believed every previous lie. There is only pure demonism instead of “moral high ground” in diminishing other countries. “Liberal supremacy ideals” that give us the right to destroy “less liberally ideal” societies is not significantly different than right wing ethnic supremacism.

            Instead of fixating on “those American indoctrinated ideals that the US used to have”, waking up to “The US has declared war on Canada”, and ending our enemy relationship to the US’s enemy is step 1 in defending ourselves. That you hope Europe will be closer friends with us, is a nice thing to hope for, but all NATO colonies cowering in fear and not doing anything together is not an effective alliance. A sewing circle for the abused wives club waiting for big daddy to come into the room, and then point at each other over who should be ravaged is not the best defense.

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              You really need to get off your high horse.

              You want to sound way too intelligent making you fail miserably at conveying normal thoughts.