We realize that most Americans didn’t vote for Trump (only 49.8%) and that most of those who did probably didn’t understand what tariffs are and how they work and we realize that Trump’s action and our response are going to hurt poor Americans, and poor Americans in red states more than others, but we’re not going to take illegal tariffs sitting down.

Just a reminder who Trump is pissing off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSaHRd4Q48

https://www.911memorial.org/connect/blog/lend-hand-do-what-you-can-remembering-generosity-gander

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    Of course we can’t know who all those non-voters wanted to win, but I’d rather not imply that nearly half of all americans voted for him.

    Who gives a shit? Those non-voters made an active choice to not matter. Makes sense to respect that choice and ignore their existence.

    People always bring this up as if it’s some indication that things arent quite as bad as they seem. Why? Americans chose this in every way that matters.

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      Keep in mind that quite a lot of those people are lower class citizens who can’t afford to take a day off work to vote. If you’re living paycheck to paycheck, not getting one day of pay can be crippling.

      Sure, it’s easy to say they should bear the cost to save the nation, but none of us are feeding their kids or paying their bills. And it isn’t us who go homeless because they voted.

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        While I’m sure this is true for many, where I live early voting is super easy and convenient. I’m willing to bet the vast majority of people that did not vote could very easily have done so, they just didn’t for non logistical reasons.

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          I wouldn’t be so sure. It’s a time honored tradition for red states to make it significantly more difficult to vote. Shutting down voting locations in busy (so blue) areas, not accepting mail in votes, etc.

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      Those non-voters matter a lot because Trump is acting like he has some kind of enormous overwhelming mandate, and there is no evidence to back that up.

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        So what? Play it out. What, the GOP Congress invoke the 25th and remove him ? They’ll impeach him? He does need a mandate. He won the last election he’ll ever need to. Media is controlled by a few billionaires who all support him. How people feel doesn’t matter anymore.

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          If the peole believe he has an overwhelming mandate, they will be a lot slower to kick him in the teeth. It will soon be too late.

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            Half of voters are in his cult. They will literally eat shit before they abandon him in the way you’re implying. Stop acting like you’re dealing with rational actors.

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      They’re just trying to cope with the situation by playing games with statistics. You’re absolutely right though, non-voters don’t matter and there’s no point in talking about them as much as we do.

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        I agree that talking about non-voters in that context isn’t useful but we definitely should talk about non-voters more in regards to why they didn’t vote. Is it cause in a number of states voting access is really hard? Is it due to not liking either party and not feeling like there are good candidates? I think understanding that more could really give a better understanding of this block of people, is it really just people who don’t care about politics and would never care enough to vote or is it people who just don’t have the time to deal with navigating the system to be able to vote.

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            I think that’s definitely a big reason for non-swing state voters but I do also think how hard it can be to vote in some states is a pretty bit barrier too. If you look at turnout data by state theres a reason a lot of the red states with the more strict laws have lower turnout compared to my home state of Oregon which isn’t a swing state yet still can get 75% turnout in 2020 even though it’s a solid blue state, cause we do full vote by mail.

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          This is the same percentage of the population it’s been for 50 years. Any question you could want to ask has been asked many times already. How many more times do we need to ask them before we’re satisfied with the answers?

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        100 million people being armed with guns matter. Their families will die if they fight for or against another.

        “I didn’t vote” doesn’t protect your family from bullets, it makes them fodder for both sides. (I think the Democrats are shit, but by no means would I ever think ANY Republican has been better than the average Democrat