Don’t blame it on the species, it’s bourgeois nation states you’re talking about. Despite of what Thatcher, Reagan and others want us to believe, there actually are alternatives. A stateless society wouldn’t allow this behavior but would much rather act as in the cartoon. The Dawn Of Everything is a good book about this.
You gotta name some examples there. I like what Bernie Sanders is putting down, a socialist democracy. Pure socialism doesn’t work though, you have to depend on everyone being good people.
You might have heard of the tragedy of the commons. It’s long since debunked, even the wikipedia article includes Solutions. The TLDR is that people are willing to follow rules and “police” each other once they are included in the process of creating the rules. It isn’t necessary that everyone is a good person, you just need a critical mass and a culture that sanctions selfish behavior instead of promoting is as ours does. SRSLY WRONG has a good podcast episode about commons
Ostrom helped disprove the idea held by economists that natural resources would be over-used and destroyed in the long run. Elinor Ostrom disproved this idea by conducting field studies on how people in small, local communities manage shared natural resources, such as pastures, fishing waters in Maine and Indonesia, and forests in Nepal. She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.
She showed that when natural resources are jointly managed by their users, in time, rules are established for how these are to be cared for and used in a way that is both economically and ecologically sustainable.
Until one tech bro or finance guy comes along. So no countries then. Don’t you think in the last hundreds of years of recorded history that you could have come up with one?
Well, she was born in 1933 so her fieldwork took place less than 100 years ago…
Also great moving the goal post on your side. You said pure socialism doesn’t work and asked for long term, I gave you that. Now you say this isn’t within the last hundreds of years which is wrong. If by country you mean nation state, I can’t give you an example and I’m pretty sure this is the only thing you take out of this comment. There are alternatives to nation states. If you ask for people fighting today for a stateless society, look up Rojava or the Zapatistas. If this is too far away from Europe for you, look up the anarchosyndicalists in Spain less than a century ago. If you have specific criteria, maybe give them beforehand. If you are a troll, go fuck yourself. Also big citation needed that one techbro destroyed the forest commons in Nepal.
Not moving goal posts. Last comment because you’re obviously not wanting to answer. A successful socialist country or nation state is what I’m asking for and have been asking for all along.
Name one country or nation state that has made it work long term (let’s say 10 years) in the last HUNDREDS of years. Pick a century, any century. You can choose from any time period you want.
No they’re not … when one of them hordes all food, everyone else rebels and either beats up the horder or kills them so that everyone can get food.
When we humans have a horder in our group, we give them a gold crown, call them smart and protect them at all cost, even if most of us are starving.
It really makes you wonder which one is the more intelligent ape species.
Don’t blame it on the species, it’s bourgeois nation states you’re talking about. Despite of what Thatcher, Reagan and others want us to believe, there actually are alternatives. A stateless society wouldn’t allow this behavior but would much rather act as in the cartoon. The Dawn Of Everything is a good book about this.
You gotta name some examples there. I like what Bernie Sanders is putting down, a socialist democracy. Pure socialism doesn’t work though, you have to depend on everyone being good people.
You might have heard of the tragedy of the commons. It’s long since debunked, even the wikipedia article includes Solutions. The TLDR is that people are willing to follow rules and “police” each other once they are included in the process of creating the rules. It isn’t necessary that everyone is a good person, you just need a critical mass and a culture that sanctions selfish behavior instead of promoting is as ours does. SRSLY WRONG has a good podcast episode about commons
You got some countries that it has worked long term?
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For a deeper dive watch this video or the afore mentioned podcast episode.
Until one tech bro or finance guy comes along. So no countries then. Don’t you think in the last hundreds of years of recorded history that you could have come up with one?
Well, she was born in 1933 so her fieldwork took place less than 100 years ago…
Also great moving the goal post on your side. You said pure socialism doesn’t work and asked for long term, I gave you that. Now you say this isn’t within the last hundreds of years which is wrong. If by country you mean nation state, I can’t give you an example and I’m pretty sure this is the only thing you take out of this comment. There are alternatives to nation states. If you ask for people fighting today for a stateless society, look up Rojava or the Zapatistas. If this is too far away from Europe for you, look up the anarchosyndicalists in Spain less than a century ago. If you have specific criteria, maybe give them beforehand. If you are a troll, go fuck yourself. Also big citation needed that one techbro destroyed the forest commons in Nepal.
Not moving goal posts. Last comment because you’re obviously not wanting to answer. A successful socialist country or nation state is what I’m asking for and have been asking for all along.
Name one country or nation state that has made it work long term (let’s say 10 years) in the last HUNDREDS of years. Pick a century, any century. You can choose from any time period you want.
I know this is breaking your brain, good luck.
Fascinating! I’m looking up details of the book now and I’ll probably read it … thanks for the recommendation.