• CanadianCorhen
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    “open up diplomacy” is a funny way to say 'appease Russia and give away a sovereign nation". But hey, clearly giving away the Crimea region to Russia stopped all future invasions, and saved a lot of lives… or maybe, if Putin had been told no by the UN, it would have stopped this entire thing.

    I’m against endless war… but you don’t stop war by rolling over and showing a dictator your belly.

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      Open diplomacy saves lives there is nothing comical about it. Look up diplomacy and tell me if the word “appeasement” is in the definition cause its not stop making shit up! You are pro endless war.

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        Pro russia staying within its own fucking borders. Only russia is to blame. Letting them swallow up their neighbours one by one isn’t the answer.

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            Russia is the one trying to start WW3, but what, any attempt to say “no, bad country” is being a warmonger?

            The hope is always to prevent escalation, but you cant sit idly by while things spiral out of control. No one wants war, and it always comes at a cost of innocent lives. We need to focus on ways to prevent it… which means being willing to spray the dog with water and say “no, bad dog”.

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              How is this escalation truly playing out? Ukraine has already lost significant ground and continues to do so daily. The U.S. persists in escalating the situation, prompting Russia to retaliate with even greater force. At this stage, we are no longer serving Ukraine’s best interests—they have become a proxy in a larger geopolitical struggle. It’s heartbreaking to see the toll on the Ukrainian people. Perhaps it’s time to prioritize lives over land, even if it means conceding territory, to prevent further loss and suffering. At this pace, Russia may ultimately gain control over the entirety of Ukraine.

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                Its so weird that you see the USA ‘escalating the situation’, not the ukranian people trying to defend themselves. Weird that, huh?

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                  The Ukrainian people face an overwhelming challenge in defending against Russia, and it’s increasingly clear that their ability to withstand this aggression is limited. Do you truly believe that sending more Ukrainians to their deaths in a war they cannot win is preferable to pursuing peace? Such a stance seems misguided. From the safety and comfort of our homes, it’s easy to advocate for continued fighting, especially as the holidays approach, but the human cost of this conflict cannot be ignored.

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                    i dont beleive its my choice, or the americans choice, but is instead the choice of Ukraine and the Ukranian people.

                    What IS our choice is whether we support them, or let them fight without support.

                    What makes you the right person to chose for an entire foreign nation?

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            Just let russia anex whoever they want right? As long as they don’t anex your country?

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                    They would be if they had the support they needed. They have a will to defend their homes and land and loved ones from the invaders. They don’t want to roll over to russias colonialism.

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        Diplomacy is essential and should always be the first, second, and third line of defense. However, diplomacy backed by a stance of ‘turning the other cheek’ in the face of invasion often encourages further aggression, rather than preventing it.

        In the end, when a nation is invaded and forced to defend itself, suggesting that they should simply surrender and allow themselves to be conquered is not only impractical but also dangerously naive. That mindset, rather than leading to peace, often perpetuates conflict.

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          Russia may not wish to prolong the conflict, but each time the West challenges them, they feel compelled to respond, leading to the escalations we’re witnessing. Ukraine is undoubtedly defending itself; however, it’s important to acknowledge that without Western support—particularly from the United States—they likely would have been unable to sustain the war effort. For some in the U.S., this conflict appears to be both a financial opportunity and a strategic affront to Russia. Since it’s not American lives being lost, there seems to be little incentive to push for an end to the hostilities. This continuous cycle of escalation poses a significant risk of spiraling into a global conflict, potentially leading to World War III.

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            Russia may not wish to prolong the conflict, Russia may not wish to prolong the conflict, “I dont want to keep hitting you with a steel rod, but each time you try and roll over, I’m forced to hit you! this is all your fault”

            This is just victim blaming, war-sympathizing, and Russia simping behavior. Russia started it, Russia continues it, and Russia could end it tomorrow at no loss of life. I don’t know WHY you are pro-Russia, but you ARE revealing yourself to be pro-war, as long as its anyone but the USA.

            If Ukriane gave up today, thousands of people would STILL die as Russia invades, sends people to camps, ect ect. But i guess you are OK with that.

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              I am firmly in support of peace and stand with Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression. If we allow Russia to continue its advances unchecked, it is likely they will eventually seize all of Ukraine. Given the current trajectory of the conflict, it seems increasingly improbable that Ukraine can secure a military victory on its own. From this perspective, one could argue that failing to act aligns more with Russia’s interests, as they would ultimately take control of the entire country

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                “I don’t want Russia to take over a country, so i want to tell a foreign nation to roll over and surrender so its taken over by Russia”

                NOT a strong argument.