Summary
In Wayne County, Arab American precincts rejected Kamala Harris, with Biden receiving 82% of the vote in 2020 and Harris only 23% in 2024.
Trump’s outreach to Arab American and Muslim communities, including visits to Dearborn and Hamtramck, contributed to his increased support.
Harris’s performance in Dearborn, where she received only 13% of the vote in the south end, reflects the backlash against Biden’s handling of foreign policy in the Middle East.
they only care about themselves, and their misguided belief that they are ‘doing the right thing’ and ‘paying back’ biden.
if they cared at all about gaza, about the west bank, about palestine and its people, they would have come out in force, and in support of democrats from coast to coast. anything to prevent another trump presidency.
trump was never on their side and will let israel do whatever they want.
just like he’ll let russia do whatever they want and ukraine will cease to exist. protest votes, like those in michigan, helped doom ukraine, too.
Agreed on all but one point:
Ukraine won’t cease to exist. They’ll just fulfill their threat to execute a crash nuclear weapons development program, if that truly becomes their only option.
In support of, (checks notes) … The woman who never meaningfully distanced herself from Biden’s policy of funding the Genocide of their families.
Yeah. Super shocked. Super.
Well at least they can complain altogether when Trump reports them all.
Stupid fucking people.
People who don’t agree with you aren’t stupid. They just have a different life they’re living.
Both can be true. Lot of ways to live. Lot of stupid people.
I’m surprised all the self righteous condescension failed to turn out the vote. Guess we’re all out options.
Or maybe too many people in this thread think they know better about the average voter. Most Americans don’t actually give a shit about politics. It’s getting them to care is the problem. Most people in the USA are too fucking stupid for their own good. Most of the people in this thread are too sensitive to realize they are part of the problem. Arab Americans aren’t directly responsible for Trump’s win but they contributed to it by holding out their votes on a single issue. If both candidates were literally the same as each other besides their stance on Gaza then I can see the logic of not voting for one over the other or abstaining. This was not the case. Most of you trying to act like Harris should have come out and promise to personally stop the genocide don’t realize that the Jewish population in America controls more money, power and influence than the Arab vote. So both sides are going to go out of their way to support Israel. You pearl clutchers don’t get this.
And your whips teaches them nothing. Still not sure how this gets the deplorables to vote for you.
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Mask drops and the liberal becomes racist when the race in question doesn’t vote for their party. Classic. It’s so classic that I can show you a song from 1966 singing it
Harris could’ve fixed that by promising not to blow up Palestine. This is purely on her and Biden for being unelectable, not on people refusing to vote for someone who will wipe them out
Do you see it yet?
Man I totally forgot Trump is actually a peace loving, human-rights respecting person and totally won’t give Israel a blank check. Can’t wait for the news article about how Trump’s totally gonna get Israel to stop!
Good thing we didn’t vote in BlUe MagA right guys?
I’m afraid these guys are incapable of complex morale situations, not understanding how the lines are blurred in most situations. They just want everything to be good or bad, nothing in between.
Let’s not stop the genocide, instead let’s advocate for lil genocide. It’s a compromise with BIG genocide. Oh no, that plan didn’t work, the people who wanted genocide voted for big genocide. And the people who wanted no genocide didn’t vote. Damn those no genocide voters, don’t they know that a lil genocide is better than big genocide?
I will learn nothing from this and do it again.
Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = “lil genocide”.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
“Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
“Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”
September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK
“Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”
Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?
Immediate ceasefire was also Biden’s publicly stated position. While he was sending 2,000 pound bombs. Which are not a defensive weapon in any military’s playbook.
And US law doesn’t distinguish. All military aid should have stopped the minute USAID made the determination that Israel was withholding food from Gaza. Both the Foreign Assistance Act and the Leahy Law make this clear. And this is after the mountains of evidence that Israel was systematically bombing concentrations of IDPs and aid workers, and using Palestinians as human shields. Any one of which would have shut off military aid to any other country.
So you have the Vice President saying the same thing as her President while he’s violating the law to fund a genocide. This isn’t shocking. The Arab Americans in Michigan are human. Expecting them to vote for the person who won’t make herself meaningfully different on the issue is a fools errand. It doesn’t get worse from their point of view, there is no super genocide.
Careful now… you might end up with a song written about you!
No thanks, I already got one!
https://youtu.be/VwcKwGS7OSQ
Mhm mhm. Now find me one of them saying they will stop sending Israel weapons.
“Please stop committing the Holocaust Germany. Btw here is a new batch of missiles to fight Poland”
Move the goal posts more. Pathetic.
They send Israel weapons to defend themselves from attack by hostile forces. Israel has the right to do that.
If you want to blame Netanyahu for misappropriating defense supplies, that’s absolutely fair, but that’s NOT why Israel is being supplied.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc
“Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself,” she said tonight. She said that Israelis should “never again” go through the horror and “unspeakable” attacks of Oct. 7.
“At the same time what has happened in Gaza in the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,”
None of this is supporting genocide in any way, shape, or form. If you believe it is, please supply a source showing Biden or Harris giving free reign for Israel to do what they want.
You know, like this:
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Oh, wait, no, that’s Trump.
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Nah, I just don’t like Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by weapons I paid for. Wish liberals could say the same, but yall believe genocide is a necessary sacrifice to gain power
Well good news! Now your taxes will pay for the ethnical cleansing of Palestinians AND Americans with Trump! Congratulations!!
Then explain in detail how allowing Trump to be President achieves this goal. Go on. Do it.
You know people voted for candidates other than Harris and trump right? Like Arab americans voting for 3rd party candidates that haven’t promised to wipe out Gaza?
The third-parties that have never had a chance in hell of winning EVER.
A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE HAS NEVER FUCKING WON THE PRESIDENCY IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING MODERN HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES.
ITS NEVER GOING TO FUCKING HAPPEN WITHOUT A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE ELECTION PROCESS ACROSS ALL 50 STATES
If the next dem candidate for president promises mandatory conversion therapy for trans people, I won’t vote for them, period. Guess that makes me a selfish nazi huh?
Nice redirection!
You redirected by bringing up that 3rd party candidates don’t win. That’s not the point for people that vote for them bc democrats abandoned/actively work against them. I think it prob would’ve been smarter to just vote for harris, but imo it’s very unempathetic and sanctimonious saying trump got elected bc people weren’t willing to vote for democrats who hate/don’t care about them or their rights
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So allow the candidate to supercharge the extermination to win? That’s one helluva strategy. Certainly one way to try and shift the blame to one side when there’s plenty to go around for both dems and the uncommitted
Yet you only ever complain about how “the uncommitted” are the problem, and never dems 🤔
Having trouble reading my comment, buddy? I literally said “uncommitted and dems”. Both are trying to blame the other, when in reality both have played a hand. No one’s hands are clean in this
You’re not any less obvious than someone who sees “fuck nazis” and says “fuck nazis AND communists”. Your problem isn’t liberals, hence why you never complain about them and only complain about others, despite claiming both are at fault. If yall liberals really still think leftists believe any of your transparent lies, you’re very mistaken
Its pretty clear now that progressives are a different party entirely than dems.
Pointing out uncommitted and 3rd party voters are just as much to blame for trump regaining office as liberal democrats are isn’t not the same thing as responding to “fuck nazis” with “fuck nazis and communists.” One is expressing an opinion which gives away your character while the other one points out the roles both groups made. You may not like it, but defaulting to not voting for either of the two parties in a 2-party system doesn’t make you innocent of the fact that the worst elect won in part because of a choice you and many others made. The lib politicians and leaders are assholes, but they were miles better than trump. But I guess you’re thinking otherwise with the way you throw “liberal” around like an insult to everyone you disagree with.
Wait are you even a liberal? I decided to check your profile for the basic libshit but this thread is the only thing you’ve interacted with, sorry if I incorrectly assumed you’re a liberal
You’re an idiot.
You had a big argument with someone not because of what they said but because of what you believed that also believed?! Now you think they believe something different it’s all OK? Weird.
I’m not going to laugh if trump starts deporting Muslims - including those here legally… but I probably won’t feel too bad about it either.
I’ll feel bad, along with when they come for all the other immigrant groups who voted for Trump, and eventually for the rest of us.
Now is the time to build coalitions, and work together to confront what is coming.
We keep talking about how to “get through” to voters…
Well, cold reality is a very effective tool, and many people will be regretting their choices in the coming days. We’d be stupid to turn them away instead of showing them we believe in the same core values.
True! All these people so quick to watch those most in danger get carried off knowing they can blend into the fascism state thats coming. It’s crazy seeing it with my own eyes.
They’re not going to regret shit until an immigration officer with a military detachment is knocking on their doors.
L*berals will see literal genocide and say “this is ok bc they deserve it for not voting blue no matter who”
Um, a lot of these people voted for Red, accelerated genocide. It’s hard to find sympathy for that behavior.
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Yeah it sucks having a two party system. Not voting, or not voting blue allowed a party that’s more motivated in killing you. Yay. I really hope you don’t end up in a camp or worse.
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That is such disingenuous bullshit. You need to backup that claim about Democrats advocating for Arab genocide both domestically and in foreign nations. You are full of shit.
Harris refused to take a stand against Israel so why should they vote for her?
Why are they selfish? Because they didn’t vote how YOU wanted? Who’s being selfish here?
Oh yea, because Trump’s definitely gonna take a stand against Israel and TOTALLY won’t give them a blank check and encourage genocide. Nope.
At least we didn’t give that blUe MagA the Trifecta! We did it Lemmy!
They didn’t vote for trump. They didn’t vote. Both sides promised to continue the genocide. That’s pretty fair.
“A non-vote is a vote for Trump”
Trump did not gain a whole lot of raw votes compared to 2020. Last I saw he had figures of a net gain of ~500k
Harris fell 4 million short. If you didn’t vote because of some stupid protest, you voted for Trump. Netanyahu publicly wanted Trump to win.
AFAIC, every protest-voter, every third-party voter, every “BlUe MAgA” screecher is a MAGAt who directly contributed to this shit show we’re about to have.
Let’s see how many more elections y’all gotta lose before you learn. Or maybe y’all lost the big one because you just couldn’t stop yourselfs from begging for leftist votes you couldnt compromise with.
Except it’s not even you. Your just a random dude body blocking for a billion dollar campaign. Human being to human being here, why can’t you blame the DNC? Genuinely? They ran the election, they got the polls, they knew what was popular and what they would win votes with but we’re unwilling to do it and gambled on a different strategy. Is that not their fault?
Oh I do, but they are not 100% here, in all likelihood MAGA would have fallen apart had he lost and then we could have had our hand ringing and protest votes and all that for 4 years. Giving the Rs the senate and house would have been preferable to a Trump presidency if you wanted to protest something.
I fully agree with you. And I took voted harris just to be clear. But you believe the Dems could of won with the leftist vote that sat out. The Dems were also aware of that due to the large uncommitted movement. Is that not enough to blame the dems for never shifting any position leftward to capture and motivate that base? Why does your final blame, the one that has you here arguing with presumably like minded allies for the upcoming fascist regime rather than joining in blaming the DNC in hopes that that pressure will cause them to not try the same “fuck the left” strategy they have now lost 2 elections with trump over.
She got like 12 million less votes than Biden. Wake the fuck up. The single-issue voters ruined this. Protest voters ruined this.
Oh cause that is really going to help things. That’s such a stupid stance to take. It’s a complete abdication of any agency or power they have as voters. In this election a non-vote was a vote for Trump cause most likely non-voters were the pearl clutching centrist democrats who were literally one-issue voters. One-issue voters are pathetic and stupid.
And yet Trump was the man Netanyahu wanted. Why in the world wouldn’t that be their sign. Oh, I guess to be fair it doesn’t rhyme, so it was probably hard for you guys to understand.
Too many people in this thread think they know better about the average voter. Most Americans don’t actually give a shit about politics. It’s getting them to care is the problem. Most people in the USA are too fucking stupid for their own good. Most of the people in this thread are too sensitive to realize they are part of the problem. Arab Americans aren’t directly responsible for Trump’s win but they contributed to it by holding out their votes on a single issue. If both candidates were literally the same as each other besides their stance on Gaza then I can see the logic of not voting for one over the other or abstaining. This was not the case. Most of you trying to act like Harris should have come out and promise to personally stop the genocide don’t realize that the Jewish population in America controls more money, power and influence than the Arab vote. So both sides are going to go out of their way to support Israel. You pearl clutchers don’t get this.
That’s a roundabout way to say you consider them selfish for not voting for a candidate they believe will keep the genocide of their relatives going.
You want to consider both sides the same when they are not. Are Democrats perfect? No. Are they a better alternative? Yes. Setting aside the ongoing issue of Israel and Palestine and whether or not either state should exist (Hint: it’s likely neither, but Israel does have a more historical claim), the issue WITHIN AMERICA is that Trump and his cronies want to install a slew of right wing fascists into positions of power WITHIN AMERICA. Yet stupid assholes like you want to concern yourself with whats going on in a foreign country when shit is going bad right here. Get your head out of your ass.
Setting aside the exact issue we’re talking about?
No.
And no, having left an area 2,000 years ago does not give you the right to genocide the people who stayed.
Go read about it then. Sorry not sorry that Jews, Egyptians, Italians, French and English have a greater claim to the area than any Arab speaking peoples, Palestinian or otherwise. If you want to ignore history then just shut the fuck up.
Oh wow mask came off
The Arab people that have lived there for thousands of years? You sir, are ridiculous.
This is the thing I can stand least about liberals. They’re the smartest, most moral people in the world and anyone who doesn’t vote their way for any reason is stupid and bad
“Voting 3rd party or sitting out during the election basically cedes the election to one of two parties. We should at least choose the party that has a better chance to be swayed against genocide than the one who openly advocates for the genociders to ‘finish the job’”
“L1b3RaL!!1!a”
I’m not saying liberals are the smartest and most moral people, they definitely aren’t. But dismissing reality of the American political system and the almost certain likelihood of the US presidential election to vote for neither of the two main parties and expecting something good to come out of it is pretty telling to one’s critical thinking skills.
I expect nothing good to come from voting 🤷
Great, so you’re part of the problem just like the democrats are 👍
I voted for Dems to defund the war in 06. They didn’t. I voted for Obama to bring troops home, close Guantanamo, and give us a public option in 08. He didn’t. So what’s the point of voting for the the winner???
Welcome to the reality of politics. Don’t like it? You have a few options: Get involved in activism, or run for office yourself by starting at the local level and work your way up. Want a formidable 3rd left-leaning party? Bolster the numbers of SPUSA, SPA, or any other ones that flew under the radar. We can also organize ways to kick the milquetoast centrists and moderate-right out of the democratic party. Hell, I wouldn’t be opposed to muddying the waters among Republicans since there’s already a lot of pushback regarding trumps choices for cabinet members and such.
Whining about every problems without finding solutions makes you sound immature and pathetic. If it really bothers you, action speaks louder than words. Do something about it.
So you agree with me: voting accomplishes nothing
Which is crazy cuz I’m actually the smartest, most moral person in the world, and I voted for De La Cruz
Classic. Here’s a song written in 1966 about the same thing https://youtu.be/3cdqQ2BdgOA?si=Quu3uCr8FEPUlTGr