• Revan343
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    14 days ago

    If you need to ask, then you haven’t been paying attention

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      14 days ago

      The only other explanation is that those 14 million Democrats DID vote, but that their votes weren’t counted due to election day farkery. But I’m not ready to go down that rabbit hole without solid proof.

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        14 days ago

        It’s possible, but I doubt it.

        Occam’s Razor says people stayed home because the Democrats ran a shitty centrist who tried to appeal to the nonexistent ‘moderate Republican’. The Democrats have been doing that as long as I’ve been alive.

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        Democrats are ready and willing to do anything other then deliver the change Obama promised so many years ago.

        Only the most giga depresso life will do for our future generations

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        14 days ago

        I want them to do a recount. Here’s solid proof:

        Trump saying people don’t even need to go vote and he didn’t need their votes to win, Trump saying he had an election day secret with Johnson, the over 50 bomb threats, Elon Musk’s bullshittery with the lottery, the ballot boxes set on fire, the numerous people reporting issues with voting, previous election interference by Russia and Russia’s ongoing war, and tbh wouldn’t it be the perfect way to start a civil war in the US by Russia, by actually stealing the election this time and letting us know a week or two later?

        So let’s recount because our planet can’t survive 4 more years of drill baby drill. Let’s just do an audit of those machines and check it all out. If the audit is fine then fine. It’s the same courtesy he got.

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          those things certainly did effect the total number of voters, but there’s no evidence that any of the votes for trump were fake, or that votes for harris were specifically not counted or destroyed (enough to effect a nationwide poor performance).

          Either there was a massive, nationwide conspiracy (for which there is no compelling evidence), or Harris simply didn’t perform well.

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            14 days ago

            I think she maybe didn’t perform well, sure. That can be true. But there’s enough evidence of issues includ8ng weird shit Trump himself said, that I think we should do an audit anyway just to make sure.

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              You’re getting into conspiracy theory here. Trump did better than expected everywhere. Blue states. Red States. Blue cities. Red cities. Didn’t matter. There was a shift almost everywhere. And this is across a nation that uses radically different voting machines, forms of voting, voting machine providers, etc. It doesn’t make sense that the could all be rigged so perfectly. It’s insanity.

              Yes, you can count “just in case,” but that way lies madness.

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                Why does this remind me of the whole 2016 election when it was obvious there was Russian collusion, amd people demanded we wait for the Mueller report and other things to decide. Bruh look at their rally sizes. Record numbers of voter enrollment. It’s weird.

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                  It’s not weird if you realize that we’re no longer in the era of big turnout being synonymous with Democratic win. And rallies are a poor indicator of voter sentiment. How many rallies for Kamala did you personally go to? Rallies are a vestigial remnant from another political era, when people primarily heard about candidates from local in-person gatherings. Yes, Kamala was able to get better rally turnout this time around than Trump, but rally-goers are a weird political rounding error. It just turns out that Kamala’s weirdos were a bit more fired up this time around than Trump’s weirdos.

                  We just came out of an era of inflation that America hasn’t seen in decades. More people are rent-burdened than ever before, and the amount of people accessing foodbanks is higher than it has been in generations. Liberals papered over this harsh reality with wonky discussions of median inflation-adjusted wages, and they shouted down any critique of how limited main inflation figures actually are at measuring economic well-being. Or worse, they pointed at the stock market. Democrats have also held the White House for 12 of the last 16 years.

                  Globally, centrist neoliberal parties like the Democrats have been eviscerated in nation after nation, election after election. The neoliberal economic model has failed to deliver the widespread prosperity it promised, and the inequality it has enabled has reached crushing levels. People are demanding change, and currently, they can only find that change, any change really, on the part of right-wing populists like Trump. Neoliberals are genetically incapable of standing up to the wealthy and powerful corporate interests.

                  Finally, while Trump is a fascist, it was incredibly difficult for voters to take that claim seriously. You can point out that he tried to overthrow the government. But then the average voter will just ask you, “well why isn’t he in prison?” Biden put a Republican, Merrick Garland, in charge of his DOJ. And Garland sat on any investigation or indictment of Trump for two years, allowing Trump to run out the clock. Garland made it impossible for Democrats to effectively run on the “Trump is a fascist” line, simply because the Biden administration didn’t treat him as a threat to democracy. He should have been arrested and sent off to face a military tribunal the day Biden was sworn in. But because Biden didn’t treat him as a serious threat, the voters didn’t consider him a serious threat either.

                  In short, there are plenty of reasons why Trump won and Kamala lost, and they have nothing to do with voter fraud. Kamala offered no real solutions to struggling Americans. Trump has a simple, if monstrous, solution that actually WILL help people with rental costs. He’s promising to deport 20 million people and thus free up housing supply. It’s a monstrous and cruel solution, but it is at least a short-term solution. Yes, Trump absolutely meets any standard textbook definition of a fascist, but Kamala was not able to win on that. If your party is in power, you cannot run arguing your opponent is a threat to democracy. As if they are, the voters will ask why you haven’t put them behind bars already.

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                    No, big turnout is still synonymous with a progressive candidate win. Bernie Sanders, AOC, Stacy Abrams. It’s just that Democrats are now so right wing they no longer appeal to the people.

                    However, that being said, there’s literally a laundry list of election interference issues that should trigger a recount. And that includes speech by Trump himself that is suspect. Like he’s literally working with Elon Musk and Putin and you don’t think they may have done some bullshit? Lol. How gullible. You realize Putin has decades of experience rigging elections and using propaganda, and Musk owns Twitter?

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                    should have been arrested and sent off to face a military tribunal

                    I had never even thought about it, but yeah, President is Commander in Chief of the army and navy, he could and should have been court maritaled